Mystery hab?

[POTAWIE]

Got a mystery plant I need help identifying. I got one plant labeled as a neon-yellow hab but is obviously different from all others and ripens orange. I'm nearly positive the problem originated at the seed company, but am hesitant to lay blame till I know for sure. One of my favourite looking plants so far and lots of fruits.
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8476/newpepper0017yy.th.jpg (http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newpepper0017yy.jpg)
I find many pods look like a vulture's face
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/8454/newpepper0025ep.th.jpg (http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newpepper0025ep.jpg)

[sixstring75]

I did some quick searching.......I found something quite similiar. Habanero Cappuccino. I don't see any blossoms in your picture to help indentify it, but maybe this link will help. Habanero Golden also has a similiar pod shape (unsure of immature pod color).
http://www.thechileman.org/results.php?page=19&chile=1&find=Any&heat=Any&origin=Any&genus=Chinense

[POTAWIE]

Not quite the same but sort of close.

[sixstring75]

Golden Hab is the best that I can do right now.........but I'll keep looking.

[sixstring75]

That's wierd........two completely different results for Golden Habanero.

1.http://www.thechileman.org/results.php?chile=1&find=golden&heat=Any&origin=Any&genus=Chinense&submit=Search

2. http://www.petterssononline.com/habanero/peppers.php?action=variety&id=60

[DaveinCoalinga]

POTAWIE, you have some of the neatest peppers this year.

[POTAWIE]

the chileman's golden hab looks quite similar, I'll have to wait for some larger peppers to ripen for better comparison.

Here's the neon yellow hab that it should have been if it were labelled properly. Finally happy with a Reimer's mistake
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/1909/newpepper0075hb.th.jpg (http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newpepper0075hb.jpg)

[Tina Brooks]

Petersson's Golden looks like Mark's Peruvian.

T

[POTAWIE]

Its definitely not either Golden Hab, not even sure if it is a hab. It ripens dark orange and has 6 petals.
http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/2846/10011hw.th.jpg (http://img285.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10011hw.jpg)

I just cut one of these open and no seeds? Only slightly hot, no wait a minute... well its got a bite but I can probably eat the whole pod These little guys are first to ripen but not nearly as cool looking as the bigger ones
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/4736/20014ez.jpg

[imaguitargod]

Ok, maybe not a Hab...this is an add one...

[Tina Brooks]

What sort of fruity overtones are you getting??? IE.. .how does it taste?

These little orange things are off the same plant as the dipsy doodles you first posted???

T

[POTAWIE]

Ya, same plant as first posted. No seed in two pods. Next ones I'll let ripen a little longer but I fear it may be a sterile hybrid of some sort. It does taste fruity like a hab but no blistering heat(no seeds or plecental tissue). I'm a beginner when it comes to flower id, do many plants have 6 petals. I'll have to check all my other plants as I am becoming more interested. Its nice to see all the flower pics on Petersons and Chilemans site.

[sixstring75]

I won't put any bets on them being sterile or lacking heat. I have a "super chile" (it was a quick replacement for a plant that I lost this spring) that is doing the same thing. The first few pods were small and lacked the plecental tissue and seeds. However the larger pods seem to be fine. Maybe it's a Fatalii / Habanero cross. "Potawie Fatalinero"

[Tina Brooks]

Potawie Fatalinero. lol.

So far all of my plant id has been faulty because except for chileman and Petersson, there really isn't a reliable source to go to. It's not like anyone really cared about chilis this much as many as 10 years ago. This field, I believe is very very young. And believe it or not, we're all on the leading edge.

Maybe it's one of the new heatless habaneros that everyone on this board has been cursing... If it is, I'd love to taste it...

I like the idea of early underdeveloped pods though. Especially because the fifth and sixth petals appear deformed. Are all of the flowers looking like that or was it just the early ones???

T

[POTAWIE]

Most petals look more normal than the one in the picture. Its definitely not heatless, just needs seeds I think.

[DaveinCoalinga]

Looks like you have yourself a new type of pepper. I will be interested to see what happens when the big pods ripen.

[POTAWIE]

I always wanted a pepper named after me. The Potawie Pepper or Potawie Fatalinero but I also like vulture pepper.

[POTAWIE]

Some new developments. Pods are ripening to a nice red (see little red hiding near centre. Most of the cool, wrinkled peppers seem to be located higher on the plant. Also, I've noticed some flowers with five petals but most with six and none look mutated or weird. Very few flowers at the moment to photograph.


http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3025/morepeppers0029uh.th.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=morepeppers0029uh.jpg)
Potawie's Red Vulture Pepper

[darlochileman]

Hi Potawie,

When I saw your images it thought of a variety called Ivorian Pimente (Ricardino from the Virtual Pepper forum is grows it) Its definitely not a Habanero Cappucino or a Golden Habanero.

http://www.thechileman.org/results.php?submit=Search&chile=1&find=IVORIAN+PIMENTE&heat=Any&origin=Any&genus=Any

Tina is absolutely right on the problems with pepper identification, the field is still relatively young and very fragmented (hence the original idea to put together a centralised database with the help of my pod pals around the world). The sheer diversity of pods is over welming and there is often much pod diversity even on the same plant never mind from with in the same species!!

Mat & I are trying to make a move in the right direction and with the help of everyone around the world. Sometimes I wonder what Im doing as I have little free time to devote to the chileman site these days (it’s a hobby not a business). Anyway Im sure we will both plough on regardless and as despite the effort I do enjoy it.

If anyone has any images/info on peppers which aren’t in the database, I more than happy to accept ‘donations’ for the benefit of all chile lovers.

Hope all you guys are well

Mark

[POTAWIE]

Keep up the good work Mark. I can't imagine not having your database now that its been up and running a while.

Derek

[Guy Holman]

Hi

I got some seeds sent to me this year that were labelled as Neon Yellow (Red) maybe they are from the same source. I have not grown any yet so I know no more. I also have some Red/Yellow Habs, this time growing but all have turned out to be red (rather disappointingly).

As is often the case with exchanged seed, it may well be the case that the seeds you got were not from isolated pods, so I guess there is some cross going on there....anyways its not to much of a hassle, really especially if they taste good!!!!

Hoping they come out a treat for ya

Guy

[Guy Holman]

Oops just noticed they came from Reimers.....they are not exactly renowned for reliable seed, I would not buy anything from them in any case...not that I ever need to buy seeds these days...LOL

All the best

Guy

[POTAWIE]

I'll have a full list of my complaints to Reimers posted eventually and hopefully a response from them. I'm having a great chile year regardless.

Derek

[darthcarl]

I can't imagine having to identify an apple breed or a tomato breed like this. My sympathy to the less documented and recorded chili growers.

[POTAWIE]

I think I hit the jackpot. It all makes sense. Those crazy Reimers guys. No picture but check this out.
http://www.reimerseeds.com/habanero-hot-pepper-vultures-beak.aspx
Its a Reimer's exclusive TM and all. What exactly does that mean? Its not the same as pvp varieties or is it? Since I never did buy the seeds, can I distribute pods/seeds legally?

[imaguitargod]

Yep, I think you've solved it. I don' believe you can distribute the seeds via sales, but you should be able to give em away.

[POTAWIE]

What about taking a White Ammo Hab (Tm) and calling it a White Bullet Hab(Tm). Or a Craig's triple hot(Tm) and calling it a Don's triple hot(Tm). How do they(Reimers) get away with that. Do they make their own cross-species and stabilize or just steal?

[imaguitargod]

Do they make their own cross-species and stabilize or just steal?
That's a good question to ask them. They probably just stole it, from what I hear, Raimers are a crap company so I would not put it past them.

[sixstring75]

I think I hit the jackpot. It all makes sense. Those crazy Reimers guys. No picture but check this out.
http://www.reimerseeds.com/habanero-hot-pepper-vultures-beak.aspx
Its a Reimer's exclusive TM and all. What exactly does that mean? Its not the same as pvp varieties or is it? Since I never did buy the seeds, can I distribute pods/seeds legally?

Distribute legally? I don't know.....send me some and see if they care....;)
Potawie Fatalinero (TM)


sixstring75 (TM)

[POTAWIE]

How about Potawii Pepper(TM)
Potawie's Triple hot Jalapeno(TM)
Potawie's White rounds(TM)

Gotta love the look of the pepper though. Although Reimer's has caused me problems, this one is a plus. I'll try to save seeds for those interested (plant not isolated). Since there is no flowers presently, and its in a pot, I plan to isolate it in the near future.

[sixstring75]

How about Potawii Pepper(TM)
Potawie's Triple hot Jalapeno(TM)
Potawie's White rounds(TM)

Gotta love the look of the pepper though. Although Reimer's has caused me problems, this one is a plus. I'll try to save seeds for those interested (plant not isolated). Since there is no flowers presently, and its in a pot, I plan to isolate it in the near future.

It is a really cool looking pod.

[darlochileman]

Hello Guy,

How are you doing?

I notice that Reimers (avoid like the plague) are calling their Habanero Vultures Beak. Sounds rather similar to Habanero Condors Beak which I know you have grown in the past - don’t you think?

http://www.thechileman.org/results.php?chile=1&find=condor&heat=Any&origin=Any&genus=Any

PS Potawie, I will be amazed if you get a helpful response from Reimers as customer service is not one of there strong points

Mark

[darlochileman]

When you said on another forum that it looks like a Vultures face it got me thinking. Cross Country Nurseries (a very reputatble plant supplier) have a variety called ‘Monkey Face’.

http://www.thechileman.org/results.php?chile=1&find=monkey&heat=Any&origin=Any&genus=Any

They look pretty similar could this be it?

Mark

[POTAWIE]

Those Monkey Face look pretty cool but they are an annuum from what I read. From my experience, these Vultures are pretty much guaranteed to be a chinense. Those Condor's Beak look interesting too.

Derek

[POTAWIE]

This has become one of my favorites. Its very hot, its beautiful and its very airomatic. Of the dozen or so varieties I have dried, these smell the most amazing and are as hot or hotter than most of my habs. I was unable to truly isolate the plant for true breeding, but I did take some clones(cuttings)which are now rooted and growing nice under flourescent lights. There is no way I want to deal with Reimers again so the effort for me is more than worth it. I will be starting some saved seeds to see how they turn out, but relying on the clones for future seeds.

Here's some pics
http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/627/oct18017uk5.jpgMy favorite looking dried pepper.

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/6977/july24006ss9.jpgHot innards with few seeds

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4425/july24002vu8.jpgPlant on July24

[imaguitargod]

Man is that plant prolific!

[Sickmont]

Wow...those are really cool looking. You mentioned the aroma....what do they smell like?

[willard3]

What about taking a White Ammo Hab (Tm) and calling it a White Bullet Hab(Tm). Or a Craig's triple hot(Tm) and calling it a Don's triple hot(Tm). How do they(Reimers) get away with that. Do they make their own cross-species and stabilize or just steal?

It is my opinion and the opinion of many other chile growers that Reimers is full of potatos, no matter what they say on their website.....what they say on the website is full of potatos, also.

Another warning to avoid purchasing seed from Reimers.

[POTAWIE]

Wow...those are really cool looking. You mentioned the aroma....what do they smell like?

It's hard to describe smells for me but it smells different than most habs. I think most red chiles have sort of a red smell if that makes any sense. These are just very strong/potent on the red smell with a little fruitiness or sweetness.

[kato]

Potawie,

Those look awesome. Can I ask a question you grow those plants in containers? I thought I saw an earth box. The chiles look great. I always have varying results in containers. We also do a few (12 plants) hydroponically with steady results. In the ground we usually do real well. So if you have a secret to share on container growing would really like to hear it. It makes it easier for moisture control and any problems that might arise being able to move them around.

Would like to hear other comments on container vs in ground chile growing.

Mick
Kato's

[POTAWIE]

I personally have great success with potted peppers, usually better than ones in the ground. The pots give me more flexibility so I can move them around into full light and I can bring them in the greenhouse or house if needed in spring and fall. It takes until late June for my Canadian soil to warm up enough for big chiles but with black plastic pot, you get a thermal effect much like a raised garden which seems to speed up growth. I also like to move some chinenses +others into the greenhouse for extra heat production. Next year I plan to grow more in the ground, but planted later. There is even thoughts of getting a small tractor.

[Fenix_fyre200]

Those are very cool looking pods! I would not mind growing some of those :P



PS- Before finding this forum, I almost bought all my seeds from Reimers. I was literally at the check out when I read the bad things about them (this was a while ago haha).