Capsicum Chinense?

[sixstring75]

I ordered some Rocoto seeds this year, and along with my order I recieved a packet of misc. seeds attached to a business card. I like a surprise so I started two of the mystery seeds. One I am quite sure is Rocoto (I think), but the other has me stumped. It won't be long before I have a pod to indentify, but it's killing me. I keep trying to identify it by its' blossom. I think that it might be Capsicum Chinense? But beyond that I'm stumed. Any guesses?
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[thehotpepper.com]

Welcome!

[imaguitargod]

Welcome, not to sure if that's Chinese or not... Although, the leaf in the upper right look's like a Habenero...

[Tina Brooks]

Looks like a hab (http://www.petterssononline.com/habanero/peppers.php?action=variety&id=21) to me. But it could be an annuum with those leaves... Maybe you can find it in the chile pepper database?

T

[sixstring75]

I agree that the plant itself looks like a Hab. That is what has led me to believe that it is in the Chinense family. I have two orange Habs but they don't have the purple that this plant has. I did do a lot of research in several pepper databases. The problem is that I have only found a couple that have pictures of the flower. I haven't been able to find anything with a purple stigma. I could just wait until the pods develop......but that of course would take the fun out of it.

[Tina Brooks]

The purple leads me to believe that it is either a brown hab or one of the brown varieties... But I haven't the time to search Peterssons for your flower. That link has a pretty extensive list of plants.

T

[sixstring75]

Peterssons? Enlighten me please. Is there a website, or publication?

[Tina Brooks]

http://www.petterssononline.com

It's chilies from a botany/agronomy view.

I spend a lot of time researching plants in there. Lots of leaves, flowers as well as pods.

T

[sixstring75]

Thanks for link Tina. I did some checking....and I was close, but the petal count was off. Maybe it's a result of an unexpected cross. Or a cross gone bad.

[Tina Brooks]

perhaps... do Pettersson a favour and send him your pictures. It's a dream of a database... (ensure you know what they are so he can class them right.)

T

[sixstring75]

Unknown pepper update. Stage 2

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/9675/img122413lj.th.jpg (http://img278.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img122413lj.jpg)

[imaguitargod]

I'm still sticking with a form of Habanero...

[DaveinCoalinga]

Looks too dark green to be a habanero. It will be interesting to see as it gets older if it has a habanero shape or a tapered diamond shape.

[fatalliman]

Hey Sixstring,
A few questions, did you get those from Bayou Trader in Texas?
A signature of the Aji Queen to send a mixed pack with her card.
Beth is a great source of seeds and ships around the world.

No insults intended, but you know all pubescence seeds are black, right?
If I'm right about your source, I know Beth is a huge grower of baccatum(sp?)
I don't grow them or can ID their flowers, but you could check that species for ID.
Whatever the case may be it's all good in the chile plants, especialy when you get pods.

Marv

[sixstring75]

Fatalliman,

Yes, I did order my seeds from Bayou Trader. I was going to e-mail a picture to Beth for indentification......but first I thought that it might be fun to toss it around the forum. And it has been fun, I have posted on three forums and no one seems to be capable of identifying it yet. I do realize that the pubescence have black seeds.......I germinated 1 black and 1 tan seed just to see what I would get. The first appears thus far to be a Rocoto.....variety is unknown until further pod development. The second is the one that is pictured and in question.
I think that I did run through the Baccatum database at one point in time, But I will check again now that you mention it.

[sixstring75]

I have posted on three forums and no one seems to be capable of identifying it yet.

I would also like to add that this is the most active forum that I have found thus far. The others are very slow and replies have been limited.;)

[sixstring75]

Hey Sixstring,

If I'm right about your source, I know Beth is a huge grower of baccatum(sp?)
I don't grow them or can ID their flowers, but you could check that species for ID.

Marv

Ah yes. I did check into Baccatum at one point in time. All of the flowers seem to have yellow in them in some way or another......no purple.
But it was worth a shot!! Thanks

[fatalliman]

Hey mike tried to PM you off forum and you don't take emails.
give me a shout if you like.
M

[Tina Brooks]

I'm going to reserve my decision that it might not be a Chinense until after the pod grows out a little more...

Have you got more pictures of the flowers, Sixstring?

T

[sixstring75]

fresh pics

http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/8130/img12606lg.th.jpg (http://img318.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img12606lg.jpg)

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2010/img12629ao.th.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img12629ao.jpg)

[fatalliman]

Hey Mike,
The only way I would be able to tell was, send all the fresh mature pods to me for testing:)

anon

[sixstring75]

Yeah, let me think about that for a while..............ok I'm done. NO

[Tina Brooks]

Yeah, let me think about that for a while..............ok I'm done. NO

lol.

The new pics have me thinking it looks like a serrano... This is fun!

T

[sixstring75]

lol.

The new pics have me thinking it looks like a serrano... This is fun!

T

Ok......Lets step back and take another look. The one on the right.....the short one.......Serrano? Lets not forget that the flowers fun parts are purple. Breath deep....try again...;) Looks like we found our new contest.
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8992/img12659lp.th.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img12659lp.jpg)

[Tina Brooks]

Are you telling us that you KNOW what the pepper is?

T

[sixstring75]

Are you telling us that you KNOW what the pepper is?

T


No, I'm just sure that it isn't a Serrano.......and if it is....then I owe you an apology. But until then, I think that your crazy. Still thinking Serrano?

[imaguitargod]

Actually the one on the left looks like a piquim(maybe a Piquin Roseto Capo).

[Tina Brooks]

No, I'm just sure that it isn't a Serrano.......and if it is....then I owe you an apology. But until then, I think that your crazy. Still thinking Serrano?

If it turns out to be a serrano, I'll be very suprised, but then again, I was only going by the flower... And fwiw, until you get a full chili, I'm flying by the seat of my pants... Whereas we were growing peppers before, I am not the grower... I only know the full grown ones.

I saw an African pequin whose flower looked similar too, but again... I reserve all judgement until that pepper fills in.

T

[DaveinCoalinga]

Not that I have any clue as to what it is, but the growth pattern on the plant doen't seem like a serrano to me. My serranos have always been tall leggy plants and that one looks a lot more bushy.

I am wondering about an aji....maybe a dulche or bolivia?

[H-Bomb]

Hi!

It's a Capsicum chinense, that's all I can say for sure. At least at the moment.

The flowers narrow it down to chinense or frutescens and the unripe pod photo confirms that it's a chinense.

So, the species is clear... but what's the variety?

-Harry

[Guy Holman]

Hi

A quick look makes me shout chinense too...green tinge to petals, multiple flowers on a node plus annular constrictions on the calyx. As too variety well not so easy, need more mature pod pics...they remind me of the yellow pointys I grew last year and am growing again now...but there is no way really to id the variety at this stage with any reliability.

Isn't Serrano the big nosed geezer from Bergerac..LOL

All the best

Guy

[thehotpepper.com]

Welcome, Guy!

[Guy Holman]

good to be here..looks like a nice site you got there.

All the best

Guy

[sixstring75]

Progress update

I think that I may have it figured out............maybe.

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/6415/img13048on.th.jpg (http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img13048on.jpg)

[Guy Holman]

I think that I may have it figured out............maybe.



tell us more..what you figured out maybe?????

Guy

[sixstring75]

Well at this point it appears to be similiar to Carmin PI215731 or maybe Caronog. But only time will tell.

[sixstring75]

Well at this point it appears to be similiar to Carmin PI215731 or maybe Caronog. But only time will tell.


Nope, I'm wrong. I will try to post a new picture tomorrow.

[sixstring75]

Here are the new pics. I am back to being stumped. Can't wait to try one though.

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/6319/img1348ee5.th.jpg (http://img117.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1348ee5.jpg)

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/6623/img1349if7.th.jpg (http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1349if7.jpg)

I'm hoping for color change soon.

[sixstring75]

Color Change!!!!!!!! But is this the final color? Guess I will have to wait......if I can.

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/4585/img1397sr6.th.jpg (http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1397sr6.jpg)

[macmanmatty]

The Pepper in question is PI 257123. Im suprised noone
has figuried this out earlier.

[sixstring75]

Final out come.....

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/117/img1403jh4.th.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1403jh4.jpg)

I threw one (raw) on some tacos today for lunch.
Medium heat, nice flavor, not as fruity as its' cousin , the Habanero.
I'll grill a couple this weekend if I get the chance.