Recipe for making good hot wings with No VINEGAR?!? [Archive]

LifePincher

04-09-2006, 05:23 PM

Everytime I eat hotwings they're either not cooked and RAW and/or have a gallon of Vinegar in the sauce. While you're eating them and breathe in the vinegar, it makes you cough. The people that cooked the wings think it's thier special blend of hot sauce making me cough! **LMAO** It's the FF'in VINEGAR!!!! PURE FF'in VINEGAR! **LOL** I like to taste my food.

Need them mild/hot to hot (not scorching hot!) Hot enough for a wide variety of people without turning them away.

chuk hell

04-09-2006, 06:17 PM

You might try subbing lime or lemon juice, maybe use a little less.

It will provide the needed acidity but will taste a little different.

huvason

04-09-2006, 08:05 PM

:lol: This is hilarious. Go to www.defconsauces.com
BEST wing sauce you will ever have. If you are looking for med hot. - go with the DEFCON TWO (DEFCON THREE is real mild, DEFCON ONE is an extract based sauce that has a nice kick).

He may not sell to you though :lol:

DEFCON Creator

04-09-2006, 08:47 PM

I'll sell to anyone. Vitriolic banter and sales have nothing to do with each other. ;)

huvason

04-09-2006, 09:22 PM

I'll sell to anyone. Vitriolic banter and sales have nothing to do with each other. ;)

AMEN to that my friend.

huvason

04-09-2006, 09:51 PM

LP, the DEFCON sauce is REALLY good. Try it.

tinner666

04-10-2006, 04:49 AM

You know John, I still haven't tried the #2. Planning on having a Defcon day with #2 during the Rib Cookoff on Apr.22.
As for myself, I love the Defcon #1 on my chicken. :D

DEFCON Creator

04-10-2006, 06:37 AM

Hi Frank, glad to hear it. I find the #1 a bit warm. When Nick from the HSB devoured 52 #1 wings, and Huvason ingested 49 of the sick little puppies I was truly amazed. The #2 has a nice little spice to it, nothing over the top, so everyone can eat them. It's truly our best seller.

DEFCON Creator

04-10-2006, 08:28 AM

As for vinegar, it's a necessary evil in some sauces. We use 4 different kinds, a very small amount of each. Since there is clarified butter in them, we have to be able to lower the pH level so as to drastically increase the shelf life, meanwhile hindering the chances of it becoming a microbial gruel. Believe me, our stuff isn't vinegar water, as many will attest to around here, but instead of adding all sorts of chemical additives to acheive the same result, we choose to stay within Nature's realm.

P_Schneider

04-10-2006, 08:32 AM

Hey Defcon, when do you think you will have some more #2 available? I have a new fryer that I'm itching to break in.

DEFCON Creator

04-10-2006, 09:00 AM

Bring on the orders! We have plenty!

Congrats on the new fryer! :clap:

Tina Brooks

04-10-2006, 11:15 AM

I like DefCon's wing sauce, it's definitely deservous of the 2006 Scovie for Best Wing Sauce. Of course, I can generously say that, the Peppermaster hasn't developed one yet.

T

P_Schneider

04-10-2006, 06:12 PM

Cool, I just mis-read your site. Def 0 batch 2 is the sauce that is out.

thehotpepper.com

04-10-2006, 07:01 PM

Tina Brooks

04-10-2006, 07:34 PM

They sound good, but don't sound very spicy... maybe if one used habanero powder?

huvason

04-10-2006, 07:42 PM

Try a little Death Rain Nitro on them. I'm sure the Creator will kill me for this, but I BAKE my wings (I know, I know) with Garlic Pepper and Death Rain Nitro (for me - I skip this step for the guests). Then I coat them in DEFCON ONE when they are done - or TWO for guests, or a combo of TWO and ONE (a ONE and a HALF according to the Creator).

chuk hell

04-11-2006, 01:59 AM

Grilling or baking will work well...it's just not "traditional".

I prefer grilling but I have made excellent hot wings in the oven.

A hot rub should work well too...just let the chicken set for a few hours in the fridge to dry "marinate". You might want to slaver some sauce on toward the end.

DEFCON Creator

04-11-2006, 06:09 AM

On the food channel I saw a restaurant use a dry rub and then grill the wings, and people swore by this place. I believe it was chili powder, garlic powder, and paprika. For extra spicy they hit 'em up with an extra dose of chili powder after the first coating of spices.

Ugh, baked wings. I tried doing it that way over 10 years ago, and soon gave up, as the turkey fryer is the only way to go. People all have their own way of doing them, but considering the following we've developed, and the turnouts we get at the parties we throw, specifically for the wings, frying is it.

LifePincher

04-12-2006, 09:49 PM

Bring on the orders! We have plenty!
Congrats on the new fryer! :clap:

I may be able to get you a new client to buy your sauce. I'm going to order a bottle of the #2 and if it's decent, I'll give the rest of the bottle to a small restaurant where I dine at so they can use it on thier wings.

From what I've read, this #2 is something most people can tolerate, correct?
Next time I order from this place though, I'm going to tell them to cook the wings another 2-3 minutes at least ;) I HATE RAW MEAT!

Do you guys have any problems getting half cooked wings when you order them? Do you notice they're undone or do you just not care because they're so hot/spicy that you can't tell?

DEFCON Creator

04-13-2006, 07:50 AM

Yeah, the #2 is a good balance of heat and flavor. Thanks for the pitch.

As for undercooked wings, I've gotten them at restaurants where they are still red on the bone, just plain nasty.

Quick helpful hint, if you are frying them, after 3-4 minutes, take them out of the oil (they aren't cooked thru yet), stab each wing section with a 2-pronged BBQ fork once, and put them back in the oil. This creates kind of a Peking Duck result, where the skin separates from the meat and crisps up nice, and the meat remains tender.

Tina Brooks

04-13-2006, 10:54 AM

DEFCON Creator

04-13-2006, 11:03 AM

A lot of Canadians seem to still have a hard time with Frank's Red Hot(R)!

T

Now Tina, wouldn't that be Canadiene's? Or are all the people having trouble with it on the American hockey team. :roll:

Tina Brooks

04-13-2006, 11:10 AM

You confuse easy don't you???

Canuck 101:

Canadiens: Hockey Team

Canadian: Molson Beer

Canadians: The guys who burned your White House. :p

T

DEFCON Creator

04-13-2006, 11:23 AM

You confuse easy don't you???

Canuck 101:

Canadiens: Hockey Team (owned by Americans)

Canadian: Molson Beer (Asimilated by Americans)

Canadians: The guys who burned your White House. (and who couldn't do it again, because our forces no longer rely on men on horseback)

T

Tina Brooks

04-13-2006, 11:35 AM

lol!

tinner666

04-18-2006, 05:21 AM

#2 has some heat?? :lol:
A lot of folks swear by Franks, but I don't get the attraction. :?

I liked it's taste but I guess if I use it, I'll need to mix them. ( 1 & 2). A blend probably would be the way to go for some of us. :D

DEFCON Creator

04-18-2006, 06:37 AM

A lot of people mix the #1 into the #2 or #3 to kick it up a little.

Tina Brooks

04-18-2006, 11:40 AM

A lot of people mix the #1 into the #2 or #3 to kick it up a little.

No doubt.

btw, when is the next batch of #2 available???

T

DEFCON Creator

04-18-2006, 11:46 AM

Next batch? We always have Defense Condition #2 available. We have to.

Tina Brooks

04-18-2006, 04:08 PM

Next batch? We always have Defense Condition #2 available. We have to.

Ummm, didn't it say "sold out" on your website, yesterday???

T

huvason

04-18-2006, 07:38 PM

Next batch? We always have Defense Condition #2 available. We have to.

Ummm, didn't it say "sold out" on your website, yesterday???

T
What's sold out is DEFCON ZERO Batch #2. He has regular DEFCON TWO.

DEFCON Creator

04-19-2006, 06:44 AM

It's ok Huv, it must be the tundra dust getting to her. :lol:

Tina Brooks

04-19-2006, 11:07 AM

It's ok Huv, it must be the tundra dust getting to her. :lol:

We call it "snow mold".

T

POTAWIE

07-20-2006, 06:03 PM

I think today would be a good day for #2 for dinner.

Fwiw, around these parts, that #2 is NOT something most people can tolerate. lol

A lot of Canadians seem to still have a hard time with Frank's Red Hot(R)!

T
Gotta get me some #2 eh. Frank's is a step up from ketchup but so many girly men up here love it. I guess when you are used to tobasco, its a little different.

huvason

07-20-2006, 06:36 PM

Gotta get me some #2 eh. Frank's is a step up from ketchup but so many girly men up here love it. I guess when you are used to tobasco, its a little different.

I suggest getting a bottle of #2 and a bottle of #1.

imaguitargod

07-20-2006, 06:40 PM

I suggest getting a bottle of #2 and a bottle of #1.
I use #1 exclusively.

huvason

07-20-2006, 08:30 PM

I use #1 exclusively.

LOL- Me too. But I didnt want him to get something that may be too hot for him. :onfire:

POTAWIE

07-21-2006, 10:03 AM

Actually I ordered the combo #1 #2 #3. Wings have never been my favorite hot food probably due to the vinegary Loisiana hot sauce they always use here, and everywhere they taste the same. I'm sure looking forward to cracking in to all of them. The number 2 sounds like my kind of sauce and #3 for friends and family and on toast in the morning.

Tina Brooks

07-26-2006, 12:51 PM

I use #1 exclusively.

We would too, except that my son isn't so able as the rest of us when it comes to heat.

T

imaguitargod

07-26-2006, 01:05 PM

We would too, except that my son isn't so able as the rest of us when it comes to heat.

T
:( ... you'll have to work on that. Give him a serrano every night before bed ;)

Tina Brooks

07-26-2006, 02:59 PM

:( ... you'll have to work on that. Give him a serrano every night before bed ;)

We have been working on that. He is well beyond serranos. We'll toss our wings in Fusion Fire and he finds that hot. I doubt we'll ever see my boy eating extracts.

T

tinner666

07-26-2006, 07:42 PM

darthcarl

07-27-2006, 01:49 AM

We have been working on that. He is well beyond serranos. We'll toss our wings in Fusion Fire and he finds that hot. I doubt we'll ever see my boy eating extracts.

T

eating peppers increases whole body pain tolerance. less ouchies.

Tina Brooks

07-27-2006, 10:15 AM

#2 is for the wimps. At least it doesn't have vinegar. #1 is pretty mild, if you ask me. Have a vial of zero in 8 oz. of #1 would make it almost hot. I think I'll mix #1 with some Final Answer one day to see if I can get some heat into it.:)

#2 doesn't have vinegar??? :eh:

eating peppers increases whole body pain tolerance. less ouchies.

I'm off the same mind, but then, I'd prefer he switch to extracts AFTER I've raised him to adulthood.

T

DEFCON Creator

07-27-2006, 10:47 AM

#2 is for the wimps. At least it doesn't have vinegar. #1 is pretty mild, if you ask me. Have a vial of zero in 8 oz. of #1 would make it almost hot. I think I'll mix #1 with some Final Answer one day to see if I can get some heat into it.:)

Actually Frank, it does. Not all sauces with vinegar taste like vinegar, standard misconception. Some sauces use too much, like Tabasco (aka vinegar water), very few don't. I like ranking in with those that don't.

Sickmont

07-27-2006, 12:15 PM

imaguitargod

07-27-2006, 12:23 PM

I usually get 'em plain and load them up with my own stuff from the fridge.
I do that as well, I just end up taking a bottle of Condition 1 with me.

DEFCON Creator

07-27-2006, 01:08 PM

All i know is that most restaurant "hot" wings aren't hot at all, and they mostly do have an obnoxiously overpowering vinegary taste.
I usually get 'em plain and load them up with my own stuff from the fridge.

Hmmm, would've been nice to have you in the Wing Eating Deathmatch at the last Defcon Day.:hell:

Sickmont

07-27-2006, 01:55 PM

I have a feeling you folks would made a brutal example out of me there.

DEFCON Creator

07-27-2006, 02:46 PM

I have a feeling you folks would made a brutal example out of me there.

To tell you the truth, I think the people sitting at The Table of Doom made brutal examples out of themselves. Fun to watch though, kind of made me feel like Dr. Oppenheimer, "I only build the bomb, I don't drop it."