2012: The Year The Internet Ends

[Bubonic]

Might not be a proper place to put this on this board, but because it concerns everyone who uses the internet, and enjoys net neutrality it needs to be posted anywhere it can be.

2012: The Year The Internet Ends (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2XPiqhN_Ns)

[bentalphanerd]

moved.

interesting stuff Bubonic although as with most I.T stuff, i'd give it about 3 days before it got cracked.

[cheezydemon]

Interesting. On a possibly supporting note, I used the word "(self edited)" in the review forum (since no other word would do) and it appeared to NOT be edited.

Is this a sign of the apocalypse?

EDIT: it appears to be intact here. Not wanting to offend, should I self-censor?

[bentalphanerd]

Not everyone who frequents this forum is an adult cheezy.

[cheezydemon]

Agreed. I thought that the forum automatically edited a certain list of word into *'s. Is that not so?

[bentalphanerd]

Not so cheezy...is all manual labor & way too many posts to check them all.
We rely on common sense & alert members a lot...if a post is reported it will be followed up.

[cheezydemon]

Right on. I subscribe to another forum very similar to this one. On there, it is an accepted form of expression to type in a "swear" word, knowing that it will automatically be converted to "****" when displayed.

Sorry! I will be more careful moving forward.

[chilehunter]

I thought 2012 was the end of the world because of the mayan calendar, not the loss of internet service ?
because of several planet alignments

[imaguitargod]

I thought 2012 was the end of the world because of the mayan calendar, not the loss of internet service ?
because of several planet alignments
Well, the whole 2012 thing is because that's when the Mayan calander ends. They don't say anything about the world coming to an end. And it's 2013, not 20012. They (read: us, not the Mayans) forgot to factor in the fact that the gregorian calinder jumped from 1BC to 1AD and skipped 0.

Now the world ending/changing stuff is interesting because all the scientific studies are starting to point to 2012/2013 as to when the shit's hitting the fan. Global warming/cooling, solar output and storms, and many other things.

Ontop of that we pass through the galatic plain at this point which is an eather rich part of space. The planets are growing in size because of it (which is also throwing off plate techtonics).

Also there are alot of large rocks in that area of space so one just might smack into us.

Plus you also factor in Terrance McKenna's Nolvelty theory and combine that with a few other theories and you have what appears to be a shift in concousness of the short that REALLY changes thing (because, perception is all that really matter in a Holographic Universe).

Needless to say....anchient Chinese curse say "May you live in interesting times".

[chilehunter]

well how does paris hilton figure into the equation :think::lol: J/K
but seriously it looks like you've did some reading on this.

[imaguitargod]

well how does paris hilton figure into the equation :think:
She's one of the Four Horsemen...Pestulance....seriously...just imagine how many STD's she got.....uuuughhh

: shutters :

but seriously it looks like you've did some reading on this.
Ya....I'm a bit of a science nerd. When everyone else was out on the playground in grade-school, I was in the library reading UFO books on anti-gravity...

[chilehunter]

ok since you brought up the UFO stuff & you believe in aliens, I have a question for ya. its kinda a 2 parter.

whats with tin foil & why ?
& if aliens exsisted & were capable of visiting earth, which would mean 100 light years away for the most likely planets that are capable of growing life. please tell me why someone would think "tin foil" would stop aliens from reading their minds, really if they were capable of traveling that far like just going out for a pizza, hows tin foil gonna stop them ?

(BTW I dont believe aliens visit earth, not saying I dont think theres life somewhere out there but just not close enough to earth, meaning within 100 light years close to earth. space is a very very huge place. I remember reading something about a star blowing up in ? 11c or ? & we just saw it now about couple months ago (the light explosion)

[imaguitargod]

which would mean 100's of light years away for the most likely planets that are capable of growing life.
Most of these aliens that visit earth (and I beileive the list is up to 8 species as far as the government's got listed) don't travel at NASA shuttle speed. We could get into a whole "folding space" and "extradimensional beings" talk but it's late and I'm feeling sleepy and don't want to bore everyone esle.

please tell me why someone would think "tin foil" would stop aliens from reading their minds,
Because people are idiots. Duh :rolleyes:

I've actually made a few tin foil hats myself and worn them around just for shits and giggles. The whole tim foil thing is basically a mockery of UFO believers.

(BTW I dont believe aliens visit earth, not saying I dont think theres life somewhere out there but just not close enough to earth)
Would now be a good time to bring up that I've seen 6 seperate UFO's (in 5 seperate experiences) in my time starting at age 5? :scared:

The physical evidence of the UFO phenominom and aliens on Earth are just to extensive to say it doesn't exist.

[chilehunter]

8 species :shocked:

so wheres their home planet ?

[DevilDuck]

Um...yeah.... You need to visit New Mexico for a week. It will change your mind forever.

Why do they like this place, anyway?

[gardenkiller]

so wheres their home planet ?

Remulak DUH.....haven't you seen Coneheads?:rolleyes:

[chilehunter]

Um...yeah.... You need to visit New Mexico for a week. It will change your mind forever.

Why do they like this place, anyway?

well sorry to say I dont think "those" "aliens" will change my mind ;)
& what you see could be any govt project, so what ya been working on lately, AJ ? :lol:

Remulak DUH.....haven't you seen Coneheads?:rolleyes:

yea I've seen it, it was alright.

[chilehunter]

wheres the parts,bodies,waste,etc... I mean real proof not just questionable video.
I've even bought a aliens DVD set & nothing really points to "real proof"

[rabbit]

Most of these aliens that visit earth (and I beileive the list is up to 8 species as far as the government's got listed) don't travel at NASA shuttle speed. We could get into a whole "folding space" and "extradimensional beings" talk but it's late and I'm feeling sleepy and don't want to bore everyone esle.


Because people are idiots. Duh :rolleyes:

I've actually made a few tin foil hats myself and worn them around just for shits and giggles. The whole tim foil thing is basically a mockery of UFO believers.


Would now be a good time to bring up that I've seen 6 seperate UFO's (in 5 seperate experiences) in my time starting at age 5? :scared:

The physical evidence of the UFO phenominom and aliens on Earth are just to extensive to say it doesn't exist.

Hey, IGG I actually get into talking about things like this. You should get back on here and do some more taling later.;) (Seriously, I did poor in school because it bored me, but have always been interested in science.)

[bentalphanerd]

eerily my brother (who can out conspiracy theory any being in the universe) just sent me this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSQsQMn48Xo

really spooky

[talas]

an interesting site for freethinkers..not saying its true/right/wrong..but a humans best tool is an open mind in the 21st century.

http://www.sott.net/

[Omri]

EASY, don't use ISPs.

[bentalphanerd]

EASY, don't use ISPs.

good plan but it looked like you'd be paying for search engines & hubs...they'd be able to block I.P's who don't pay.
I don't see how they could stop someone from just opening another free setup ??

It reminds me of AOL (i think) a few years back who thought they were big & invincible enough to charge customers per email sent.

big biz will try

[Omri]

I like small private sites. don't need the big ones. :)

[Sickmont]

She's one of the Four Horsemen...Pestulance....seriously...just imagine how many STD's she got.....uuuughhh



Dont you mean "whores men"?

[wordwiz]

eerily my brother (who can out conspiracy theory any being in the universe) just sent me this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSQsQMn48Xo

really spooky

Nights in England are coal black, making parachute jumps difficult and dangerous. So we attach small lights called chemlites to our jumpsuits to make ourselves visible to the rest of our team. Late one night, lost after a practice jump, we knocked on the door of a small cottage. When a woman answered, she was greeted by the sight of five men festooned in glowing chemlites. "Excuse me," I said. "Can you tell me where we are?" In a thick English accent, the woman replied, "Earth!"

Mike

[Omri]

eerily my brother (who can out conspiracy theory any being in the universe) just sent me this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSQsQMn48Xo

really spooky
Ha! missed that! :lol:
Most look like artifacts and the rest are smudges. :shocked:

[imaguitargod]

Why do they like this place, anyway?
Probably due to it being on/near one of Earth's lay lines.

wheres the parts,bodies,waste,etc... I mean real proof not just questionable video.
There's really alot of it out there. Both photographic, video, and physical evidence. There's even mumified remains of a very small alien.

I've even bought a aliens DVD set & nothing really points to "real proof"
I love those movies...Seagornie Weaver is so hot.... :lol: :rolleyes: ;)

Hey, IGG I actually get into talking about things like this. You should get back on here and do some more taling later.;)
Here I am...and there I go! I'll log back on around 1ish. I have to go to the market and then to the bar.

(Seriously, I did poor in school because it bored me, but have always been interested in science.)
Sounds like you are like me. I realized schoold was a bunch of biased, outdated, spoonfed crap way back in 3rd grade. Up till them I was a streight A+ student. After that I would do just the minium to get by and spent the rest of the time in the library educating myself.

Although I do wish I had payed more attention to my spelling classes.....

Dont you mean "whores men"?
LOL, good one.

[cheezydemon]

To think that we are the only life out there is ridiculous. I am a little freaked when I look around (galactically speaking) and don't see life on any nearby planets:(

I don't think we realize how delicate we are.

Did you say the planets are growing IGG????

That concerns me. If the balance of our solar system is thrown off very much, we could slowly fall into the sun, or be catapulted out into cold cold space.

[imaguitargod]

I'm back from the bar and online. Had a horribly bitter IPA from Great Lakes Brewery (named Rye of the Tiger). Ever since I've had peyote (3 times) I can no longer do anything bitter. It just reminds me too much of that horrible horrible taste....ugh.

To think that we are the only life out there is ridiculous. I am a little freaked when I look around (galactically speaking) and don't see life on any nearby planets:
I completely agree when it comes to ignorance about thinking we are the only form of life out there. There's so much evidence to the contrary.

As for life on nearby planets there's also alot of evidence to support that. Take Mars for example. There's all these artifacts that the rovers (if they are actually on the planet...but that's a whole other discussion) are finding. Plus tehre's the seasonal growth on the planet (trees,.....which I believe are actually extremely large cactus. In my first Peyote trip I talked with a large group of cacti up the road from me and they taught me all about the cactus' on mars...but that's a story for another time) as shown by German's probe pictures.

Then there's the tunnel systems, the fact that there's alot of water in the atmoshpear and the puddles of liquid water....and that really interesting picture of the two aliens that was just released from the lander archives a month ago. Picture can be seen here (http://www.rense.com/general80/life.htm).

On top of that you have Saturn's artificial moon, Iapetus but doesn't seem to be functioning anymore. Couple that with the very geologically active moon of Jupiter, Europa, that's covered in a thick sheet of ice but contains liquid underneath it, there's the possibility of life everywhere.

But don't look to NASA to release it due to Brown's Report (or is it Browning....I can't remember) of 1952 which said that if the US government came out with the information that there is extraterrestrial life there would be mass panic. People would riot and governments would fall. Ever since then there's been coverups larger than what preceded it and NASA has adapted this report as their own secret little rule.

I don't think we realize how delicate we are.
I like to think that we've already been smashed into smithereens but we blinked and missed it, ;)

Did you say the planets are growing IGG????

That concerns me. If the balance of our solar system is thrown off very much, we could slowly fall into the sun, or be catapulted out into cold cold space.

Yep, slowly but with gaining speed in recent years. They are able the measure the planet's size and growth with a network of mirrors that they have in the upper atmoshpier. Lasers are bounced off various points and that's how they get their measurements.

I wouldn't worry about falling into the sun though, I'd worry about plate techtonics more than anything at this point.

[cheezydemon]

Not me personally, but for my great great grandkids that I was worried for.

Increased tectonic activity would create more friction and therefore more heat, presumeably releasing even more greenhouse gases, etc. etc.

Great discussion... (til CH gets back;)) No offense meant chilehunter lol.

[gardenkiller]

The planets are growing in size because of it (which is also throwing off plate techtonics).



Do you have any proof of this?

[imaguitargod]

Do you have any proof of this?
I'd have to re-search the net for a link.

[gardenkiller]

I'd have to re-search the net for a link.


That is just a huge thing, and with the rescent seismic activity I assumed it would have been mentioned in the media somewhere.

[DevilDuck]

http://www.continuitystudios.net/clip00.html

http://www.continuitystudios.net/clip03.html

http://www.continuitystudios.net/clip13.html

[gardenkiller]

Okay this is just a theory not necessarily a fact. While I love to think that this may be possible, there are a few things that don't make sense. How did mountains come to be?? Are these people ignoring the LAWS of science which say matter cannot be created or destroyed?? Where is all of the water coming from. If the earth is expanding that much, how the heck are the ocean levels up, heck where did all of the water come from to fill the oceans? Like I said, very interesting, but I wouldn't put money on it being true.

[GrumpyBear]

i think there are some serious malthusian catastrophes on the horizon before any of that gets us...

i definately beleive in life on other planets, we like to think we're special but the conditions for life are not unique. and we're totally being visited, just think what we'd do if we could move from planet to planet easily, we'd check out what things are like then move on to the next planet. i don't think any aliens have any special interest in us/our planet on account of that whole "we're not special" thing, but we're still worth knowing about. and heck yea it's being covered up, but who cares, it's not like aliens wanna hang out with us and there are a lot of people who would freak out. a person can be smart, but people are stupid.

about the video - did the chick in the middle serve any purpose other than having cleavage?

[imaguitargod]

That is just a huge thing, and with the rescent seismic activity I assumed it would have been mentioned in the media somewhere.
HA! Good luck finding any true news on the regular "media stations". I alway s enjoy calling Fox new, "Faux News".

Okay this is just a theory not necessarily a fact. While I love to think that this may be possible, there are a few things that don't make sense. How did mountains come to be?? Are these people ignoring the LAWS of science which say matter cannot be created or destroyed?? Where is all of the water coming from. If the earth is expanding that much, how the heck are the ocean levels up, heck where did all of the water come from to fill the oceans? Like I said, very interesting, but I wouldn't put money on it being true.
This is more than just a theory, it is scientific fact. There are so many things that science just doesn't understand (take electricity for example). There's a whole other area of science that people just ignore and label "fringe science". That's the area where people go, "here's all the evidence that proves that. We've checked, rechecked and reproduced it selveral times for you" and the rest of the scientists go, "Uhhh...that undermines what we've been saying all of these years. This will revoke our grants from the Univeristies."

All of these things are explianed but people choose to ignore it because it isn't what Fox News reports on or spoons feeds them. It's sickening and disqusting quite frankley.

[chilehunter]

There's really alot of it out there. Both photographic, video, and physical evidence. There's even mumified remains of a very small alien.


I love those movies...Seagornie Weaver is so hot.... :lol: :rolleyes: ;)



no I wasnt talking about the "aliens" movies, I was talking about a DVD set about alien lifeforms that visit earth.
I beleive theres another lifeform somewhere, BUT the distances make it hard to accept that earth is being visited.

when you say "proof" its not much for proof, nothing real in your face kind of proof.

as for the previous saying " humans would create mass panic" if they knew aliens exsisted, well thats back in the day we humans were affraid of anything that was not normal to their own country (example us americans were affraid of the russians years ago)
times change & most people are kinda open minded nowadays, so why hide the fact of another lifeform ? I mean if they are for real & our govt's have had contact with them on several occasions & they're friendly. why would it be a big deal for the rest of the human race to know of another lifeform that exsists.

then why would they want to visit earth anyways ? if they're friendly whats their reason ? I highly doubt traveling 100 light years or more for the sake of just probing some humans or taking some cattle. what would be their reason ? if they're so advance in technology why bother with us measly humans ? they have nothing to gain for knowledge from us humans, other than taking over planet earth (if they were that type of species) but if they really exsisted & were that type then it would of been known worldwide because more or less the human race would of been under attack.

& if aliens (that are so highly evolved lifeform wise & technology wise) were really visting earth, why are they being seen ?
wouldnt a visit to earth be nothing more than a recon mission for them ? so why the lights ? I doubt they'd care about our human air space laws for visual for aircraft (lights). our govt's test all types of aircrafts & keep building newer things.

let alone there would of been some incidents of actual exchange of firepower between humans/aliens at some point in time, heck most govt's are ready & willing to exchange firepower at will at unidentified aircraft in their airspace, & the language barrier would of been huge for some time, so where are these incidents ?

it may sound like I'm a disbeliever about aliens, but I'm not, its just I dont beleive earth is being visited.

[chilehunter]

another thing is if humans can go from 1st flight & to the moon in a span of about 50 years. wheres is this alien technology they use ? its been about 50 years since the so called 1st contact with aliens. humans would of taking their technology & use it!

& mars was not in the perfect location to fully develop like earth to create lifeforms, you ever heard "close but no cigar" ? well thats mars.
we're talking about living breathing human/animal like lifeforms not microorganisms. the most likely planets for this are far far far away!

[imaguitargod]

Ok, I'm too tired to respond to your points CH, I'll post again tomarrow. I know this will be a long post in response but I'm really tired (Noise shows take alot out of you, you'd be surprised) and don't have the energy needed to post a page and a half worth of expounding.

See everyone tomarrow, same bat thread, same bat chanel.

EDIT: Just read you second post...ok, I'm really going to post alot more than I expected., lol. (I mean that in a nice way, like a "I'm happy to present some ideas sort of way).

[GrumpyBear]

HA! Good luck finding any true news on the regular "media stations". I alway s enjoy calling Fox new, "Faux News".

fox 'news' is a good example of my person/smart, people/stupid comment. i shudder everytime i think about it...

This is more than just a theory, it is scientific fact. There are so many things that science just doesn't understand (take electricity for example). There's a whole other area of science that people just ignore and label "fringe science". That's the area where people go, "here's all the evidence that proves that. We've checked, rechecked and reproduced it selveral times for you" and the rest of the scientists go, "Uhhh...that undermines what we've been saying all of these years. This will revoke our grants from the Univeristies."

All of these things are explianed but people choose to ignore it because it isn't what Fox News reports on or spoons feeds them. It's sickening and disqusting quite frankley.

if you weren't such a crackpot sometimes i'd say you'd make a great theoretical physicist (the best part about that is you can get included in a nobel prize by just coming up with the idea like 30 years before someone else does all the work...). honestly, i think the onus is on us to think for ourselves. science does explain everything in my mind, we just haven't figured out the science behind everything yet.

[wordwiz]

Iggy,

There are so many things that science just doesn't understand (take electricity for example).

You might want to give up drugs for a moment or two. This kind of opinion gives people a reason to really think you have no idea what you are talking about.

Try www.google.com and click on some of the links.

Mike

[imaguitargod]

Iggy,

You might want to give up drugs for a moment or two. This kind of opinion gives people a reason to really think you have no idea what you are talking about.

Try www.google.com and click on some of the links.

Mike
Ok, that's a little more than insulting. If you actually talk to scientists or read articles you'll notice that electricity is very much an unknown by most standards. There's a whole theory about how the universe is based on electricity which is gaining speed as the norm and believe me, they are still just grasping at straws for the most part on the concept.

Just beacuse we harness it in our day to day lives doesn't mean we know the whole story.

[GrumpyBear]

eh, i'm not that tired...


then why would they want to visit earth anyways ? if they're friendly whats their reason ? I highly doubt traveling 100 light years or more for the sake of just probing some humans or taking some cattle. what would be their reason ? if they're so advance in technology why bother with us measly humans ? they have nothing to gain for knowledge from us humans, other than taking over planet earth (if they were that type of species) but if they really exsisted & were that type then it would of been known worldwide because more or less the human race would of been under attack.

& if aliens (that are so highly evolved lifeform wise & technology wise) were really visting earth, why are they being seen ?
wouldnt a visit to earth be nothing more than a recon mission for them ? so why the lights ? I doubt they'd care about our human air space laws for visual for aircraft (lights). our govt's test all types of aircrafts & keep building newer things.

let alone there would of been some incidents of actual exchange of firepower between humans/aliens at some point in time, heck most govt's are ready & willing to exchange firepower at will at unidentified aircraft in their airspace, & the language barrier would of been huge for some time, so where are these incidents ?


actually, this thought process is a good argument for why knowing about aliens would cause a mass panic.
you've thought it through and rationally decided that aliens wouldn't visit except to take over, it's reasonable to assume many other people would think the same way. if you then heard the government admit some aliens were visiting wouldn't you then think it's only a matter of time before they attack? enough people think that and you will have a panic, people will riot for supplies, set up bunkers, yadda yadda.
in reality aliens would probably visit us the same way anthropologists visit other cultures. and if they visit at all it means they've figured out faster than light travel (which we know exists, we're just still working out the science ;) ) so it's not really a big deal for them to come hundreds of light years just to visit.

[imaguitargod]

if you weren't such a crackpot sometimes i'd say you'd make a great theoretical physicist
That's one of the nicest things anyone has ever said to me...

[GrumpyBear]

Ok, that's a little more than insulting. If you actually talk to scientists or read articles you'll notice that electricity is very much an unknown by most standards. There's a whole theory about how the universe is based on electricity which is gaining speed as the norm and believe me, they are still just grasping at straws for the most part on the concept.

Just beacuse we harness it in our day to day lives doesn't mean we know the whole story.

i don't exactly consider myself a scientist but i'll back that up. we do know a lot about how to use electricity and the things it causes to happen, but we still know very little about sub-atomic particles... fundamentally we still don't know the 'why'...

[chilehunter]

GB - I understand that the human race in general would freak if they seen an alien BUT if the govt's have been in contact with them for decades, wouldnt that mean they know they're "friendly" ? & whats the harm letting the rest of the human race to know of another intelligent lifeform exsists. heck right now humans are so intrigued about just the thought of maybe some type of lifeform on mars or elsewhere, which would mean they'd accept the fact if shown or proven one does exsist, they'd accept it, as long as it doesnt try to take over the human race :lol:

[chilehunter]

eh, i'm not that tired...



actually, this thought process is a good argument for why knowing about aliens would cause a mass panic.
you've thought it through and rationally decided that aliens wouldn't visit except to take over, it's reasonable to assume many other people would think the same way. if you then heard the government admit some aliens were visiting wouldn't you then think it's only a matter of time before they attack? enough people think that and you will have a panic, people will riot for supplies, set up bunkers, yadda yadda.
in reality aliens would probably visit us the same way anthropologists visit other cultures. and if they visit at all it means they've figured out faster than light travel (which we know exists, we're just still working out the science ;) ) so it's not really a big deal for them to come hundreds of light years just to visit.


I reread this, & no its not what I meant.
I meant in the early years of human/alien contact there would of been exchange of firepower, common sense as to what the human race would do when felt threaten with the unknown.
times have changed, & if given the fact if proven that govt's have had contact with aliens for several decades & shown/proven to be friendly there'd be no reason for a panic.

& no I didnt mean the only reason they'd visit earth is to take over the human race, I just dont see why the visits & why so many that some say happens. if it'd happen so offen then wouldnt it be something like a diplomatic relations or such ? because really humans have nothing to offer to them if they're visiting us & then why dont we have their technology in use ? (some 50 years later)

[GrumpyBear]

That's one of the nicest things anyone has ever said to me...

y'know, i can't tell which part flattered you more...

GB - I understand that the human race in general would freak if they seen an alien BUT if the govt's have been in contact with them for decades, wouldnt that mean they know they're "friendly" ? & whats the harm letting the rest of the human race to know of another intelligent lifeform exsists. heck right now humans are so intrigued about just the thought of maybe some type of lifeform on mars or elsewhere, which would mean they'd accept the fact if shown or proven one does exsist, they'd accept it, as long as it doesnt try to take over the human race :lol:

i think there would be plenty of people who would beleive the aliens are friendly if the government came out and said that. i also think there'd be enough people who'd still freak out to cause some significant mayhem...maybe i'm a cynic. it's quite possible.

and on that note i'm bowing out of this discussion for some shut eye. it'll be interesting to see where this ends up when i check back in tomorrow...

[DevilDuck]

I'll blast this one wide open. Just to give everyone something to think about.

In 1987 I was a PFC in the USMC working at the Naval Air Station Atlantic HQ in Virginia. I was given a Top Secret clearance for two weeks so I could be a runner for this "meeting" that was going on with ALL of the top brass (generals, admirals, etc...) from ALL of the US services. They gave me a 9mm pistol to carry indoors (which is usually unheard of) and was told that my postilion is "deadly force authorized".

Now, my job was to run packets of Top Secret information between the war room and a group of offices that were secluded behind a vault. If it took me more than 3 minutes, there was a team of MPs assigned to find me. Anyway, once I figured out I could make the trip in 2 minutes just walking a normal pace, it wasn't really an issue.

So, one run I had to make at about 3am... I decided, I would look at the top page in this particular packet (being I had a TS clearance and all), because I felt I had a "need to know" what I was carrying and why I would be hunted down if I was late. What I saw scared the crap outta me.....

This "meeting" was a whole "cover up and deny" session about a series of UFO sightings in Iowa. Apparently, there was a crash, and this was the HQ for the recovery operation. Inside this packet were directions on what to say to the White House, press, and other countries about what was going on with the high concentration of military in rural Iowa, far away from any military base. There was a section of explanations of what witnesses actually saw, and what pilots mistakenly reported to control towers. There was also a "debriefing non compliant civilians" section.

What I saw was just the table of contents for this packet. I didn't dare try to look any further into the packet because of all the surveillance cameras...

Now, the Secret Service will be knocking at my door in the next few minutes (probably not, but it would be kind of funny).

This stuff happens.... all of the time, and we as citizens don't know any better.

So, you can choose to believe what I have said...or not. You can choose to believe that this whole "meeting" was a mock up exorcise for something else.... But let me tell you, the mood for that two weeks was deadly serious. I've been through training exorcises where the mood wasn't like that. Something was going down and I was smack dab in the middle of it.

[cheezydemon]

That sounds pretty amazing DD. Thanks for sharing it.

If Aliens have the advanced technology to reach our planet from what must be billions of miles away, and enter our atmosphere undetected.....

WHY DO THEY CRASH SO DAMN MUCH?!? lol.

[talas]

hyper dimensional gateways where on rung 3..theres 4,5,6,7,8,9 10(think limitless light god for the highest)rung 1 and 2 are the animals/plants etc below our little mix up of the universe/multi....billions of miles..depends how advanced and what knowledge/rung you or they are on ;)

Kabala will give you a `tree` / idea to approach it from a scientific/religious/open minded point of view.

[Sickmont]

Alright, now my damn heads spinning from all this, so i'm going to get a few beers.

[imaguitargod]

no I wasnt talking about the "aliens" movies, I was talking about a DVD set about alien lifeforms that visit earth.
Ya, I know, I was just giving you shit ;)

when you say "proof" its not much for proof, nothing real in your face kind of proof.
There’s a lot of it out there, take the “starchild skull” for example.

as for the previous saying " humans would create mass panic" if they knew aliens exsisted, well thats back in the day we humans were affraid of anything that was not normal to their own country (example us Americans were affraid of the russians years ago)
times change & most people are kinda open minded nowadays, so why hide the fact of another life form ? I mean if they are for real & our govt's have had contact with them on several occasions & they're friendly. why would it be a big deal for the rest of the human race to know of another life form that exists.
I still think there’s a lot of fear out there as far as the unkown, especially here in America. Fear is generally being crammed down out throats every day, just watch the news, “What’s hiding in your couch could kill you! Germs are everywhere! Fear Iran! Fear Muslims! Fear the weather! Killer Storms! Fear Fear Fear!”

Now, as to why hide the fact that aliens have been here would be for control and a few other possible reasons. Perhaps the aliens want to slowly introduce new technologies to help advance the human race without their knowledge.

Or they could be studing us (a lot of people belive that Earth is just one big Petri dish and we’ll all engeniered and placed here). You wouldn’t want your science experiment knowing that it was a science experiment now would you?

Also there’s the control thing. The government very much has this adjenda of limiting knowledge and scolding those that think for themselves. They want people to be dependent on them, that way they will always hold control. This is one of the main reasons that psychedelic drugs have been outlawed. They open your mind up, make you see things and understand things on a deeper level. It was causing people to reject their dependence and say, “You don’t control me, I don’t need your system, I have my own”. That’s bad mojo in their eyes.

Now say that it’s released that aliens are in fact amoung us and visit the planet regularly. That would open a lot of people’s eyes and change thins. They would realize that we’re not so special and the universe is filled with life. We would stop being so selfish and start focusing on things that matter, like helping one another. The government would loose a lot of money and a lot of control.

let alone there would of been some incidents of actual exchange of firepower between humans/aliens at some point in time, heck most govt's are ready & willing to exchange firepower at will at unidentified aircraft in their airspace, & the language barrier would of been huge for some time, so where are these incidents ?.
There are those incidents. Mexico had one about a year ago and it was all over the news papers. Also, you probably haven’t heard about the "Battle of Los Angeles" (http://ufos.about.com/od/bestufocasefiles/p/losangeles1942.htm) which occurred in 1942. It’s one of the best photos and evidence around.

another thing is if humans can go from 1st flight & to the moon
There’s a lot of evidence that those landings were faked. Even NASA contradicted itself on the landing just recently.

wheres is this alien technology they use ? its been about 50 years since the so called 1st contact with aliens. humans would of taking their technology & use it!
It’s all around. Gary McKinnon hacked NASA and one of the things he found was a list of “Non-terestrial Officers” and (to quote what he said), “It contained names and ranks of U.S. Air Force personnel who are not registered anywhere else. It also contained information about ship-to-ship transfers, but I've never seen the names of these ships noted anywhere else.”

Then there’s the space machines that John Walson (http://www.rense.com/Datapages/mystmachinedata.htm) has been video taping…the list just goes on and on.

& mars was not in the perfect location to fully develop like earth to create lifeforms, you ever heard "close but no cigar" ? well thats mars.
we're talking about living breathing human/animal like lifeforms not microorganisms. the most likely planets for this are far far far away!
Mars, up until pretty recently (some say as little at 6,000 years), was perfect for life. It’s now warming back up and coming into the “habitable zone” again. Oh, and that statement that everyone keeps quoting from NASA saying that Mars has only 1% of the Atmosphier of what Earth has….well, that has only been proven by them and every other space agency has never reproduced their results. Mars in fact has quite a blew sky and atmosphier.

Also, let’s not forget about the cities on Mars (http://www.enterprisemission.com/ir_analysis.html).


They gave me a 9mm pistol to carry indoors (which is usually unheard of) and was told that my postilion is "deadly force authorized".
Boy, would I have fun with that one. Someone gets to close to you and you just shoot em in the foot….I wonder how many people I could get until the just jumped on me…hehehe…

If Aliens have the advanced technology to reach our planet from what must be billions of miles away, and enter our atmosphere undetected.....

WHY DO THEY CRASH SO DAMN MUCH?!? lol.
What can I say, they like to booze it up and drive around pickin up cows….intergalactic red necks…eek!

hyper dimensional gateways where on rung 3..theres 4,5,6,7,8,9 10(think limitless light god for the highest)rung 1 and 2 are the animals/plants etc below our little mix up of the universe/multi....billions of miles..depends how advanced and what knowledge/rung you or they are on ;)

Kabala will give you a `tree` / idea to approach it from a scientific/religious/open minded point of view.
Ah yes, harmonic dimensions. That takes me back a few years ago when I was studing that. David Willcock has a huge dissertation online for that one….good read. It’s called Shift of All Ages.

[gardenkiller]

I can't believe I am reading all of this and people had the nerve to give me shit about my belief in John Titor!

[imaguitargod]

I can't believe I am reading all of this and people had the nerve to give me shit about my belief in John Titor!

Hehehe. I wan't one of those people though ;)

[cheezydemon]

Ya, I know, I was just giving you shit ;)


There’s a lot of it out there, take the “starchild skull” for example.


I still think there’s a lot of fear out there as far as the unkown, especially here in America. Fear is generally being crammed down out throats every day, just watch the news, “What’s hiding in your couch could kill you! Germs are everywhere! Fear Iran! Fear Muslims! Fear the weather! Killer Storms! Fear Fear Fear!”

Now, as to why hide the fact that aliens have been here would be for control and a few other possible reasons. Perhaps the aliens want to slowly introduce new technologies to help advance the human race without their knowledge.

Or they could be studing us (a lot of people belive that Earth is just one big Petri dish and we’ll all engeniered and placed here). You wouldn’t want your science experiment knowing that it was a science experiment now would you?

Also there’s the control thing. The government very much has this adjenda of limiting knowledge and scolding those that think for themselves. They want people to be dependent on them, that way they will always hold control. This is one of the main reasons that psychedelic drugs have been outlawed. They open your mind up, make you see things and understand things on a deeper level. It was causing people to reject their dependence and say, “You don’t control me, I don’t need your system, I have my own”. That’s bad mojo in their eyes.

Now say that it’s released that aliens are in fact amoung us and visit the planet regularly. That would open a lot of people’s eyes and change thins. They would realize that we’re not so special and the universe is filled with life. We would stop being so selfish and start focusing on things that matter, like helping one another. The government would loose a lot of money and a lot of control.


There are those incidents. Mexico had one about a year ago and it was all over the news papers. Also, you probably haven’t heard about the "Battle of Los Angeles" (http://ufos.about.com/od/bestufocasefiles/p/losangeles1942.htm) which occurred in 1942. It’s one of the best photos and evidence around.


There’s a lot of evidence that those landings were faked. Even NASA contradicted itself on the landing just recently.


It’s all around. Gary McKinnon hacked NASA and one of the things he found was a list of “Non-terestrial Officers” and (to quote what he said), “It contained names and ranks of U.S. Air Force personnel who are not registered anywhere else. It also contained information about ship-to-ship transfers, but I've never seen the names of these ships noted anywhere else.”

Then there’s the space machines that John Walson (http://www.rense.com/Datapages/mystmachinedata.htm) has been video taping…the list just goes on and on.


Mars, up until pretty recently (some say as little at 6,000 years), was perfect for life. It’s now warming back up and coming into the “habitable zone” again. Oh, and that statement that everyone keeps quoting from NASA saying that Mars has only 1% of the Atmosphier of what Earth has….well, that has only been proven by them and every other space agency has never reproduced their results. Mars in fact has quite a blew sky and atmosphier.

Also, let’s not forget about the cities on Mars (http://www.enterprisemission.com/ir_analysis.html).



Boy, would I have fun with that one. Someone gets to close to you and you just shoot em in the foot….I wonder how many people I could get until the just jumped on me…hehehe…


What can I say, they like to booze it up and drive around pickin up cows….intergalactic red necks…eek!


Ah yes, harmonic dimensions. That takes me back a few years ago when I was studing that. David Willcock has a huge dissertation online for that one….good read. It’s called Shift of All Ages.

That is the longest post ever.....(so I quoted it! NOW I HAVE THE LONGEST!!;))

Wow What a discussion. I am just smart enough to know that we can't know everything and that not every conspiracy theory is true.

[imaguitargod]

That is the longest post ever.....(so I quoted it! NOW I HAVE THE LONGEST!!;))
Hehehe

Wow What a discussion. I am just smart enough to know that we can't know everything and that not every conspiracy theory is true.
Wise words.

[gardenkiller]

It’s all around. Gary McKinnon hacked NASA and one of the things he found was a list of “Non-terestrial Officers” and (to quote what he said), “It contained names and ranks of U.S. Air Force personnel who are not registered anywhere else. It also contained information about ship-to-ship transfers, but I've never seen the names of these ships noted anywhere else.”




Mars, up until pretty recently (some say as little at 6,000 years), was perfect for life. It’s now warming back up and coming into the “habitable zone” again. Oh, and that statement that everyone keeps quoting from NASA saying that Mars has only 1% of the Atmosphier of what Earth has….well, that has only been proven by them and every other space agency has never reproduced their results. Mars in fact has quite a blew sky and atmosphier.








OK first part of that is obvious to me. Just because someone is not listed does not mean they are an alien. Look at the CIA for example. Agents all over the world "don't exist" for a reason. It would jeopardize their safety and the safety of many others, not to mention make their jobs impossible. I will never say that I trust the government to look after us, but in order to do certain things, they have to keep secrets.


As for the second part, how in the name of Zeus's butthole does anyone know that Mars used to be habitable. A blue sky does not provide a means for life. I for one don't trust everything that NASA says, just because I feel they are in the position that they can say what they want and not be challenged because we can't fly to Mars and check for ourselves. BUT....I see no reason to think that Mars is a hospitable place for life simply based a blue sky and a few shadows that look like people....errr...Martians.




I will say as a side note that this is the most fun I have had participating in a thread on here!

[GrumpyBear]

Also there’s the control thing. The government very much has this adjenda of limiting knowledge and scolding those that think for themselves. They want people to be dependent on them, that way they will always hold control. This is one of the main reasons that psychedelic drugs have been outlawed. They open your mind up, make you see things and understand things on a deeper level. It was causing people to reject their dependence and say, “You don’t control me, I don’t need your system, I have my own”. That’s bad mojo in their eyes.


see, this is where you always lose me. i seriously don't think that's why psychedelic drugs are illegal (you've said this a couple times...).
i'm not saying the real reasons are much better, i'm fairly certain it's cuz of drug related deaths (and i'm not trying to get into a debate on whether you can OD on psychedelics, lets be honest here people on drugs get into accidents...), and again not really from an altruistic point of view...if you die young they lose out on your lifetimes contribution to GDP - that's how government assigns a value to human life (currently estimated at between four and seven million bucks. i am not making this up, this is how they do feasibility studies...) so they just look at the numbers and see which is more costly, the extra deaths if it were legal or the forgone excise taxes they could be collecting (cuz if it were legal you can be sure they will tax it).
alcohol and tobacco are ok in these regards (or irregardless of this ;) )cuz they ussually kill you slow and generally when you're close to retirement anyways so then they don't have to pay your cpp (what is that in the states, social security?).
actually, i think they can control you more if they did make these drugs legal, they'd regulate it just like they do booze and smokes. they'd probably require licensing to go collect anything from nature, and/or they'd have production permits which would go to large corporations, and if you got into an accident you'd still need their doctors and the big business insurance you folks have, and fox news would still exist even tho your mind would be free.
honestly, you're better off with them being illegal. unless you get caught that is...

[DevilDuck]

Actually, it more because of the "religious" (hardcore Christian) sect that panders to the conservative (right wing) politicians. I won't go into detail for it might offend a lot of people...


That being said... It's still all about controlling the masses.

[cheezydemon]

Agreed. And at some point, (like with pot) they are just still going because they would look pretty stupid if they suddenly admitted that it was harmless after they had messed up so many people's lives.. Some people probably do still beliave the message of the old "scare tactic" films about pot heads ripping people to pieces and raping women.

[GrumpyBear]

i just think if they thought they could make money off it all the propaganda would swing the other way. i totally agree it's all about control, i just don't think they're worried about losing control because these drugs open your mind up. there's all sorts of other ways to free your mind and they don't go after a lot of those cuz they make them money.

[Sickmont]

there's all sorts of other ways to free your mind and they don't go after a lot of those cuz they make them money.

I've found that lobotomies are the best way to free your mind, but you can only do it once.

[DevilDuck]

i just think if they thought they could make money off it all the propaganda would swing the other way. i totally agree it's all about control, i just don't think they're worried about losing control because these drugs open your mind up. there's all sorts of other ways to free your mind and they don't go after a lot of those cuz they make them money.


This is true, but we're called heathens and "devil worshipers"...

[chilehunter]

IGG - that 1 post of yours is long, you're starting to post like me (sometimes) :lol::P
some of what you've mentioned I have not heard of, I'll look into those things when I have more time. I just dont know, I guess ya could say I'm lost in limbo when it comes to do aliens exsist or not.

but with NASA (gov't controled) searching for some types of life elsewhere (& the general public interested in "whats out there", I just dont understand why such a coverup for so long if aliens did exsist, & if they were in contact with them so often (could be called diplomatic relations) why not just say "yes, theres another lifeform that exsists! here they are"

& why is it most of the so called alien sightings are in the USA ? or I may be wrong ? but if the SW USA is seeing sightins almost 1 a week or ? thats ALOT.

where are all these UFO's crash sites, its still a machine & machines breakdown! where are they repairing their UFO's ? where they refueling ?
if aliens were giving humans technology, where are our hyperspeed aircrafts ? remember its been well over 50 years.& this type of technology would be worth its weight in gold, if any technology given/taken from aliens this would be the 1st on the list (hyperspeed travel or whatever)

the moon landing I know thats questionable, well hearsay, but again why havent any recent photos of the landing crafts left on the moon been shown recently, or could you even see them through a telescope ?

again whats with the 8 species of aliens ? I've only heard of 1 type. some of these are not klingon,rommuale,wookie,etc... are they ? :lol::P

[chilehunter]

another thing is the size of the UFO used to travel 100's of light years, it seems pretty small for those distances, dont ya think ? how they cram all their needs into a little spaceship & then head back home.
I'd think it'd need to be some monster sized ship to do these types of travel.

[DaveReed]

Re: IGGy

Iggy,



You might want to give up drugs for a moment or two. This kind of opinion gives people a reason to really think you have no idea what you are talking about.

Try www.google.com and click on some of the links.

Mike

If Mike would tell me exactly what an electron is, I would be very gratefull! I might be able to come up with a way to make some.

Dave

[ring sting]

To be honest, I haven't given too much thought to the whole alien thing, other than it is highly probable (in the same way that it is highly probable that i will drink an alcoholic beverage in the next month) that there are other life forms in the universe.

I just watched a doco called Zeitgeist, available on google video. In relation to this thread, it is quite interesting. It does not overtly mention aliens, but it does discuss world domination, and the "inevitable" world government that big big big business would like to see in place.

It also discussed the origins of several modern religions and the common themes behind them, and how they have been used as a tool for mass hypnosis.

It is my belief that secrecy behind many things is to maintain the status quo, and an educated, open-minded public does nothing to maintain the class order (for lack of a better term) that currently exists. This explains the deterioration of educational standards in many western countries -- subjugation of the masses through ignorance.

Returning to the privatisation of and the changing of the nature of the interweb, this may be the reasoning behind it: keep 'em dumb.:shocked::confused:

[DevilDuck]

Keep 'em dumb? eeehhhh.... not sure about that. Only make 'em as smart as we want? That's more like it.

Also, look who the "uber-smart" work for.... The government, right? Ok...not directly, and not all, but in some capacity or other.

The other thing that has me a little puzzled...going back to the first post... Did anyone look at the other videos posted by that crew? I'm not certain that the post about the end of the internet was 100% serious.

[DaveReed]

Keep 'em dumb? eeehhhh.... not sure about that. Only make 'em as smart as we want? That's more like it.

Also, look who the "uber-smart" work for.... The government, right? Ok...not directly, and not all, but in some capacity or other....

Just smart enough to fill out the paperwork... .

Just check out the George Carlin bit on YouTube about who owns America...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI5EY5kqiBU

dr

[ring sting]

Yes, DD and DR, you put it so much better than I did. smart enough, and dumb enough.
BTW, the Carlin thing's pretty good too.

[Canuk Pepperhead]

and I thought the internet was for 1 porn and 2 peppersites sheesh...oh did I mrntion the porm????? lmfao

[wordwiz]

If Mike would tell me exactly what an electron is, I would be very gratefull! I might be able to come up with a way to make some.

Dave



Mike

[imaguitargod]

IGG - that 1 post of yours is long, you're starting to post like me (sometimes) :lol::P
Lol, ya, this is my kinda thread so I tend to go into detail and on and on and on…heheh

some of what you've mentioned I have not heard of, I'll look into those things when I have more time.
That’s all I ask, and the more stuff people see the wider their mental bubble becomes.

I guess ya could say I'm lost in limbo when it comes to do aliens exsist or not.
I could never limbo, got a bad back ya know ;)

but with NASA (gov't controled) searching for some types of life elsewhere (& the general public interested in "whats out there", I just dont understand why such a coverup for so long if aliens did exsist, & if they were in contact with them so often (could be called diplomatic relations) why not just say "yes, theres another lifeform that exsists! here they are"
Because once you lie, you must maintain that lie. Plus, depending on the circumstances of the ET (ie: what it’s made up of, where it comes from, how it functions, and it’s tech) it has a very big chance of contradicting what scientists and some religions say.

These are big business that make a lot of money. They would loose a lot if they were proved wrong….they don’t like to loose…

& why is it most of the so called alien sightings are in the USA ? or I may be wrong ? but if the SW USA is seeing sightins almost 1 a week or ? thats ALOT.
There’s a lot everywhere else. Keep in mind, many places do not have the means to communicate or document close encounters (ie: internet, cell phones, cameras). There’s a lot of encounters that do not happen in the US…A LOT. Also the ones in the SW USA are much more than 1 a week.

where are all these UFO's crash sites, its still a machine & machines breakdown! where are they repairing their UFO's ? where they refueling ?
if aliens were giving humans technology, where are our hyperspeed aircrafts ? remember its been well over 50 years.& this type of technology would be worth its weight in gold, if any technology given/taken from aliens this would be the 1st on the list (hyperspeed travel or whatever)

the moon landing I know thats questionable, well hearsay, but again why havent any recent photos of the landing crafts left on the moon been shown recently, or could you even see them through a telescope ?
The crash sites are at various places, most are covered up by the government almost immediately (having everything under surveillance has it’s benefits ya know ;) ). Who says their ships need fuel to operate? Where are our hyperspace aircrafts? See my previous link on page two about John Walson.

again whats with the 8 species of aliens ? I've only heard of 1 type. some of these are not klingon,rommuale,wookie,etc... are they ?
There’s the Reptilians and the lemurians for example…and the rest I’d have to do a ton of searching to find the link that presented the info.

another thing is the size of the UFO used to travel 100's of light years, it seems pretty small for those distances, dont ya think ? how they cram all their needs into a little spaceship & then head back home.
I'd think it'd need to be some monster sized ship to do these types of travel.
Some of them are the size of three football fields. Take for example the triangle that people say just a few hours before the Phoenix Lights (first one) appeared. When it comes to interdimensional travel, length and “time” are not of concern.

[DaveReed]

Mike

Well put!

dr