Irregardless........

[cheezydemon]

.....IS NOT A FARGING WORD!!!!!!!

(sorry, someone enjoys my off brand of humor and requested another thread)

I am sorry, but I hear this word from people, usually trying to emphasize their point of how "regardless" something is.

"IRRE" is a pre-fix that negates whatever comes after.

I have had some argue that irregardless IS a word and means the same as regardless.

We can't just throw out the meaning of poor "IRRA" so easily.

OR......

Irrelevent means: really relevant.

Irreversible means : reverse it whenever you want.

Irreverent describes: a freaking choir boy well on his way to becoming a saint!

Thanks!

[imaguitargod]

OH GOD! That non-word drives me batty too!

[cheezydemon]

Another non-word that those same people seem to use is "notated"

Notated does mean at the bottom or top of the page in a book, but to say "your interest rate on this is notated here" is absolutely them trying to sound smart and failing miserably!

[GrumpyBear]

what if you use irregardless as the opposite of regardless? y'know, without lack of regard?

[texas blues]

Well...basically...you know..I'm like...and then I go...but then she goes...ya' know..see what I'm sayin'...

[rabbit]

Well...basically...you know..I'm like...and then I go...but then she goes...ya' know..see what I'm sayin'...

IRREGARDLESS.........Then they took the do-hick-a-ma-bobber and put it in the thing-a-ma-jiggy:P:lol:

[texas blues]

The Mexican word for thinga-ma-jiggy is chingadera.

[rabbit]

The Mexican word for thinga-ma-jiggy is chingadera.
See this site is helping me to learn other cultures too:lol:

[DevilDuck]

So it's...

"Keep your hands off of my chingadera!!!!!!"

:lol:

[rabbit]

So it's...

"Keep your hands off of my chingadera!!!!!!"

:lol:

I take it this probably means private part or something? I lived in Southern California for a few years as a kid, but I left before I was able to learn any Spanish, or Mexican sayings.

[DevilDuck]

I dunno.... I just made something up!

[rabbit]

I dunno.... I just made something up!

Ok.......guess that's kind of like a thingy-ma-jiggy then:lol::cool:

[imaguitargod]

Ok.......guess that's kind of like a thingy-ma-jiggy then:lol::cool:

I usually use, whachamacallit, thingamajig, dohickey, dongle, or the ever so classic, whats-its.

[rainbowberry]

I normally say, "You know that thingy, oh you know what I mean anyway".

[cheezydemon]

Irregardles would be a double-negative.

It would mean regardful, which is a word.

Thing-a-ma-bob has to be at least 4 words.

Thing Of My Bob........Who TF is Bob?;)

[rabbit]

Irregardles would be a double-negative.

It would mean regardful, which is a word.

Thing-a-ma-bob has to be at least 4 words.

Thing Of My Bob........Who TF is Bob?;)

I don't know, but I guess he has a thing:P:lol::lol:

[cheezydemon]

He must have a LOT of Thingies! Lots of people seem to have his stuff.;)

[imaguitargod]

Thing Of My Bob........Who TF is Bob?;)

Well, the English always tell me that "Bob's your Uncle"....so there you go.

[rabbit]

Well, the English always tell me that "Bob's your Uncle"....so there you go.

Or the Milkman:shocked::lol:

[LUCKYDOG]

Well then thats all right or is it alright ;)

or how about altogether alright equally as bad -- hurts to just type it

[rainbowberry]

Or the Milkman:shocked::lol:

Nah, he comes to early (when you're asleep I'll add), it's more likely to be the postman.

[chilehunter]

well my dictionary says its a word thats been in use in 1912 & 1927 in speeches, & maybe even earlier. so yea its a word :)

its just a word anyways, american english can be confusing to some. more than 1 word can mean the same thing & 1 word can mean several things, go figure.

[QuadShotz]

I've never really thought much about it, but here's a pretty comprehensive look at it:

http://www.answers.com/irregardless?nafid=3

[Canuk Pepperhead]

Ummmmm geeze.......I like pie!!!!

[rabbit]

Nah, he comes to early (when you're asleep I'll add), it's more likely to be the postman.

:lol::lol:

[cheezydemon]

I had to read that twice too rabbit, lol.

Just because idiots have been using a non-word for however long, doesn't make it a word.

It is a double negative which makes it NOT A WORD. Even if it is a word, it means the opposite of regardless. Or like I said: Irreversible would mean reversible, etc.....

If you want to argue with that, go find a nice tree to talk to. I refuse to debate with someone too dumb to comprehend that simple statement.

[Sickmont]

If you want to argue with that, go find a nice tree to talk to. I refuse to debate with someone too dumb to comprehend that simple statement.

No arguement from me, sir. My spine almost starts to curve when i hear that word. I also have an annoying knack for correcting people's syntax and spelling as well.

[klyth]

My favorites:

Acrossed

Most words that end in "-izer" e.g. Moisturizer - what was wrong with "moistener?"

Nauseous (I know it's in the dictionary now, but it didn't used to mean the same thing as "nauseated")

[rainbowberry]

I don't know about the Nauseous/Nauseated one. Dosen't the first mean you feel sick and the the second that you did :confused:

[ring sting]

My faves are the addition on an unnecessary "-ate" on the end of words. eg.:

orientate, as in I orientated my plant to the sun.

so, um like, irregardless of how you orientated your thing-a-ma-jig, it's like alright.

[klyth]

Not really. Being nauseaus means you cause others to feel sick. Nauseated means you ARE sick. But people have been misusing them long enough for them to have changed it in the dictionary.

[ring sting]

Nauseous (I know it's in the dictionary now, but it didn't used to mean the same thing as "nauseated")

Isn't "Nauseous" the present tense, simple (I am nauseous) and "Nauseated" part of the present tense, perfect? (I am nauseated).

Would this then refer to how one is, as opposed to how one is made to feel?

[klyth]

Nope. It's confusing, which is probably why it's misuse has been accepted.

[ring sting]

Nauseous (adjective)
1.Causing or able to cause nausea

2.Feeling nausea; feeling about to vomit

Doh. I guess this is why I can't parse sentences! and failed engrish

[Chiliac]

As a soldier at Pearl harbor said:

"These guns ain't not worth nuthin without no ammo!" (or sth like that!)


Back to the q: I think nauseated means that sth made you nauseous

[GrumpyBear]

i think from now on i'll use irregardless when i mean regardful and see who catches on... will probably cause some confusion, i might even break someones brain...

[cheezydemon]

I like it!

I hate it when words are used incorrectly for so long that it becomes accepted, or included in a dictionary.

Irregardless should never be truely accepted since it negates the meaning of so many other words that are used correctly. (Irreversible, etc.)

Oh and ring sting, It would be "I WAS nauseated" in the past tense.

[ring sting]

I like it!

I hate it when words are used incorrectly for so long that it becomes accepted, or included in a dictionary.

Wow, that's a big call cheezy. Language is something that evolves and changes through the ages. I'm glad we dont speak/spell akin to what was done in the 16th-17th centuries. Ye olde englysh sucks.

If there was no creation (or alteration of the meaning) of words, how could one describe most of the 20th century? Would we be taking the round reins of the self propelling carriages? Catching the iron waggon on iron-carbon sticks to our place of occupation in the large edifice?

Language promotes the exchange of information and knowledge. It is because of language, not in spite of it, that we are able to describe such things as the internet and share its meaning -- irregardless -- of where we are. Otherwise, it would just be the magic box on the table.

I agree, some *words* are difficult to accept when they change or alter meaning, but it is part of the evolution of our shared language. Remember when "homey" meant comfortable and welcoming?

RS

[chilehunter]

ring sting - I agreee its just a word, & proven its a word, just because some dont like the word does not make it a word nonetheless.
I also see that some words are madeup to replace other words just for the sake of someone to feel proud of themselves to use or create another word :rolleyes: or like you said times change & so does language!

I mean really how many words can you think of that are in use nowadays but were never even in use 50 -100 years ago or even exsisted, are these words that really are "not" "words" but now they are.

[texas blues]

Many words are regional colloquilisms indigeonous to that region...much like the word..."ya'll". You won't hear it used in England but sure will hear it in Texas. Why can't words that are not traditional become just that after people adopt them into their vocabulary? The longest word used in Texas is definitely a word, and it's not in the dictionary. That word is used by numerous Texans regularly across the state multiple times on a daily basis. That word is...(and say it real slow for effect) is...."sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit".

"Fo shizel" might not be in the dictionary...but I wouldn't argue with Snoop Dogg that it shouldn't be. And for the record...I ain't down with no rap my manizell.
Cheers, TB.

[ring sting]

I mean really how many words can you think of that are in use nowadays but were never even in use 50 -100 years ago or even existed, are these words that really are "not" "words" but now they are.


If I read your post correctly, and I think I understand your point, then yes, there are plenty of "not" "words" that have found their way into English. One example that springs to mind is described well in "the Simpsons" when Dr Nick remarks "Who would have thought that flammable and inflammable meant the same thing?"

It is also important to note that English is based on several European languages, and it has no simple rules for verb conjugation, eg. hang: hanged and hung! A man was never hung, but hanged, whilst a picture was always hung.

**rant**
Again, I do agree that some bastardisations should not be accepted. My understanding is that here in Australia, teachers are now told to accept "txt" speech in student's work. This is a development in the English language, which I use, that I find somewhat abhorrent when used in a formal setting. it's one thing between friends, on chat boards such as this, but when you are communicating formally?

Am I mistaken? Is txt speech just an extension of the acronymic ways of our leaders and therefore should be accepted? Is using ASAP any different from OMG or ROFLMAO?

RS

[chilehunter]

as for text speech, I think it should NOT be allowed for school grading purposes.
why ? is because if you get taught 1 way & keep doing it a certain way , you will only know of that 1 way which is not right! just like caculators for math, some kids are so stupid they dont even know how to do division w/o a caculator :shocked:

[rabbit]

I had to read that twice too rabbit, lol.

Just because idiots have been using a non-word for however long, doesn't make it a word.

It is a double negative which makes it NOT A WORD. Even if it is a word, it means the opposite of regardless. Or like I said: Irreversible would mean reversible, etc.....

If you want to argue with that, go find a nice tree to talk to. I refuse to debate with someone too dumb to comprehend that simple statement.

Ok I had another response, but I edited it just in case I was wrong. It's best to find out what you meant first. You weren't directing that last paragraph at me were you? If you weren't cool, if yes. Well, I'm just messing with you man. I've been quite aware of what a double negative is for quite some time. I just have a tendency of being a smart A@#...lol!!

[Sickmont]

Go read the book "The Mother Tongue: English and how it got that way" by Bill Bryson. It's a fascinating read about the evolution of the spoken english language.

[rabbit]

Wow, that's a big call cheezy. Language is something that evolves and changes through the ages. I'm glad we dont speak/spell akin to what was done in the 16th-17th centuries. Ye olde englysh sucks.

If there was no creation (or alteration of the meaning) of words, how could one describe most of the 20th century? Would we be taking the round reins of the self propelling carriages? Catching the iron waggon on iron-carbon sticks to our place of occupation in the large edifice?

Language promotes the exchange of information and knowledge. It is because of language, not in spite of it, that we are able to describe such things as the internet and share its meaning -- irregardless -- of where we are. Otherwise, it would just be the magic box on the table.

I agree, some *words* are difficult to accept when they change or alter meaning, but it is part of the evolution of our shared language. Remember when "homey" meant comfortable and welcoming?

RS
Great post!! While I see the need to have a formal style of communicating the English language does evolve. It's also oddly one of the most difficult languages in the world to learn correctly, believe it, or not. Here's my take on it. If it's just two people talking they can speak how they want to eachother. They can even make up do-hick-a-ma-bobs and such as well:lol: It should be ones own judgment to decide which style of the English language to use at the given time and situation.

[cheezydemon]

Not Exactly. I didn't say that we couldn't invent completely new words like Airplane and Car.

It is a matter of attatching an unneccessary pre-fix which negates the existing word that I have a problem with.

You obviously must use the word so good luck to you, but to think that I mean we shouldn't invent words that are completely new is wierd.

We should just use existing words (and prefixes, and suffixes) correctly.

again if irregardless means regardless, then:

IRREVERSIBLE means reversible

IRREVERENT means a super pious choir boy.

IRRESPONSIBLE means someone you should trust your kids with.

If we decide to allow prefixes to lose their meaning, but only in some cases, how would we be able to read something and irreunderstand it?

Intercontinental might just mean here in 1 country. That would suck my friend.

[Sickmont]

IRRESPONSIBLE means someone you should trust your kids with.



So just out of curiousity, what word would you use instead of "irresponsible" in a situation where, for instance, you may be scolding your kid.....because calling someone "unresponsible" sounds stupid.

[rabbit]

Not Exactly. I didn't say that we couldn't invent completely new words like Airplane and Car.

It is a matter of attatching an unneccessary pre-fix which negates the existing word that I have a problem with.

You obviously must use the word so good luck to you, but to think that I mean we shouldn't invent words that are completely new is wierd.

We should just use existing words (and prefixes, and suffixes) correctly.

again if irregardless means regardless, then:

IRREVERSIBLE means reversible

IRREVERENT means a super pious choir boy.

IRRESPONSIBLE means someone you should trust your kids with.

If we decide to allow prefixes to lose their meaning, but only in some cases, how would we be able to read something and irreunderstand it?

Intercontinental might just mean here in 1 country. That would suck my friend.
There's nothing wrong with a time for correct English. However, people WILL talk how they choose and honestly. It's not worth debating. It's not even something that's of high priority and concern in my life;). I've got bigger fish to fry than debate something so petty. While it may be of concern to you, it's not to me. That's not a bad thing. Just how it is with this topic.

[cheezydemon]

So just out of curiousity, what word would you use instead of "irresponsible" in a situation where, for instance, you may be scolding your kid.....because calling someone "unresponsible" sounds stupid.

DUDE......IRRESPONSIBE IS A WORD. THAT IS THE POINT.

If you say that the "irre" on irregardless should be ignored, so that it still means "regardless" then why wouldn't it be meaningless on irresponsible?


I would NOT leave my kids with someone irresponsible. That is the point. The "irre" makes responsible into the opposite.

It does the same on "irregardless" that is why "irregardless" could be said to be a word, but it must mean the opposite of "regardless".

Sorry Rabbit, evreyone is entitled to their opinion. I have no quarrel with you.
Do you get it or not?

[rabbit]

DUDE......IRRESPONSIBE IS A WORD. THAT IS THE POINT.

If you say that the "irre" on irregardless should be ignored, so that it still means "regardless" then why wouldn't it be meaningless on irresponsible?


I would NOT leave my kids with someone irresponsible. That is the point. The "irre" makes responsible into the opposite.

It does the same on "irregardless" that is why "irregardless" could be said to be a word, but it must mean the opposite of "regardless".

Sorry Rabbit, evreyone is entitled to their opinion. I have no quarrel with you.
Do you get it or not?
Yeah, I get it bro. Not a biggie at all. In regards to correct English you are correct. I just like to be stubborn, and I do realize that people can still speak incorrectly, and be understood. No beef here. I just honestly would rather find something else to talk about. It's kind of like beating a dead horse. I'm pretty interested in that 2012 thread. I may do some talking on that one. That will be tonight though. I'm about to hit the sack again. Take it easy, and we're good. I just take a more laid back approach to English that's all. I can use it correctly, but sometime I get lazy myself.

[cheezydemon]

Right on.
I understood that you do understand, but don't care too much. Groovy!

I just hope that Ring Sting gets it, not you rabbit. We are on the same page.

[ring sting]

of course i get it cheezy
i understand that prefixes change the meaning of the word proper such that pre means before and post is after and micro is small and macro is big
and yes it may be annoying when people dont apply these prefixes properly
if ir and in mean not how do you explain inflammable indeed intend
this is my point
language does not always make sense and does not always follow the "rules" as you see them

You obviously must use the word so good luck to you

obviously nothing. i have never consciously used the word outside of this thread. and i did so just to get a rise.

if you are out to win an argument at all cost, which seems to be your modus operandi, then keep attacking the individual and not the idea. you will always win.

[GrumpyBear]

"—Usage note Inflammable and flammable both mean “combustible.” Inflammable is the older by about 200 years. Flammable now has certain technical uses, particularly as a warning on vehicles carrying combustible materials, because of a belief that some might interpret the intensive prefix in- of inflammable as a negative prefix and thus think the word means “noncombustible.” Inflammable is the word more usually used in nontechnical and figurative contexts: The speaker ignited the inflammable emotions of the crowd. "

if we allow irregardless to mean regardless just because it gets used that way a lot then we don't really have an argument to not allow txt speak imho ;) i think both are a bad idea and don't really count as the language evolving...

[ring sting]

if we allow irregardless to mean regardless just because it gets used that way a lot then we don't really have an argument to not allow txt speak imho ;) i think both are a bad idea and don't really count as the language evolving...

thanks for the notes on the word inflammable. Very enlightening.

I am not arguing for "irregardless" to be included in the english language, but just that lingual evolution/devolution does exist.

I believe that "txt speech" is not necessarily bad, but is inappropriate in many situations. In fact, it may lead to an altogether new language. It is readily understood in a multitude of languages. you will often find "imo, rofl, wtf, ty" in fora from other countries. Will "txt speech" pick up where Esperanto couldn't? Who knows.

The concept of lingual devolution is not a new one. In 1948, it was considered significant enough by Orwell that he included it in his book '1984'.
"Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?… Has it ever occurred to you, Winston, that by the year 2050, at the very latest, not a single human being will be alive who could understand such a conversation as we are having now?"

[bentalphanerd]

I hate it when people say reiterate .... to iterate is to repeat...what the hell is reiterate to repeat again again....

hate it lol

[DevilDuck]

I find that when people say "reiterate".... that's exactly what they're doing. Repeating something that was already repeated.

I used to run sound for a lot of corporate events... you get bored and pay attention to things like that. There was one meeting that even had "catch phrase bingo"...just like on that TV commercial.

[Sickmont]

DUDE......IRRESPONSIBE IS A WORD. THAT IS THE POINT.



Ok, good. I thought so, but i wanted to make sure i was indeed correct and not just smoking crack again

[imaguitargod]

Ok, good. I thought so, but i wanted to make sure i was indeed correct and not just smoking crack again

: has flash back to 80's PSA, "Crack is whack, yo!" :

: shakes it off and drowns the horrid memories of zebra pattern sweat pants in beer :

[Sickmont]

: shakes it off and drowns the horrid memories of zebra pattern sweat pants in beer :

ewwwww :shudder shudder shudder: muscle pants

[cheezydemon]

Good to know you get it Ring. No I wasn't going to try again.

The post I was responding to, (irresponsible) demonstrated that you had not read my post properly, or did not understand, or "get it".

I wasn't trying to convince you, I just wanted you to at least understand my point. I now believe you do. Good discussion! Thanks for your input.

[pepperfever]

as for text speech, I think it should NOT be allowed for school grading purposes.
why ? is because if you get taught 1 way & keep doing it a certain way , you will only know of that 1 way which is not right! just like caculators for math, some kids are so stupid they dont even know how to do division w/o a caculator :shocked:

I agree with chilehunter, I tutored middle school, of course then ( 1990) texting was not a problem but the students were allowed to use a calculator for math. Most of my time was spent teaching them how to put a problem in the calculator, especially for division. It would have been so much easier to do it the old way, use a pencil and a paper.

Jackie

[GrumpyBear]

my mom always made us add up the grocery bill then figure out the tax on the car ride home from the store to 'make sure there wasn't a mistake' and i always thought she was paranoid, now i know she's just a crafty one...
i was helping my cousin with her homework a few months back and sure enough every little step went into the calculator... and you should see her right anything without the spell checker...then she got pissy with me when i got on her case about it. am i old enough yet to say 'kids today' and shake my head?
this is why i'm against using txt speak in school too, plus the sooner it's allowed in school the sooner it'll make it's way into the professional world.

[cheezydemon]

It already does.

Some of it is good for e-mail purposes because they convey an emotion that words cannot do as easily. (LOL for example)

E-mail and txt mssging can not properly convey "tone" (such as angry, kidding, etc.) and things are sometimes taken the wrong way.

[chilehunter]

I agree with chilehunter, I tutored middle school, of course then ( 1990) texting was not a problem but the students were allowed to use a calculator for math. Most of my time was spent teaching them how to put a problem in the calculator, especially for division. It would have been so much easier to do it the old way, use a pencil and a paper.

Jackie


I dont know about it being easier (not using a calculator or not using text) but if you're brought up & always used calculators for everything & texted peopls brains out. those people would have a harder time learning the correct way or just plain ol' dont know how to do some things because they've relied on other means to do some things for so long.
kids nowadays would have a very hard time doing any type of math problems w/o their calculators!!! can you really consider they learning to do math when the calculator does the problem for them, other than they push some buttons :rolleyes:
went I went to school we were NOT allowed to use calculators to figure out math problems.

sidenote, kids nowadays are getting smarter to a point BUT are also getting dumber because they're relying on technology to do things for them, case in point my niece (years ago) asked how do you work an old rotory phone :shocked::rolleyes:

[cheezydemon]

I just had to dust this off and remind everyone that IRREGARDLESS is not a word.;)

Just a public service.

[Brokensea]

Nah, he comes to early (when you're asleep I'll add)

o_O

What no foreplay? You just wake up sticky and violated?

[RingburnDave]

The one I can't stand and hear used all the time by you American types ;) is.. "I could care less!" when in fact you wish to state that you "couldn't" care less.

Oh and another one that shits me is "very unique". NO.

[Novacastrian]

What about using the A.T.M. machine. or you P.I.N. number??

[imaguitargod]

What about using the A.T.M. machine. or you P.I.N. number??
Or DC comics.

[DickT]

How the hell did I miss this thread, and where my doo rag at. Jesus had a baby it was George Bush and he had a pet otter. I'm voting for president Charlie because were going to war and I like Salad. Beh deh et. What does all this mean. Well i met this really swell girl on the subway however I don't think mom will approve, she hasn't mastered the kings english so well ( sub titles provided ) see video.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-UPLc1f9oY

one phrase that makes twinge is: he's good people

[imaguitargod]

one phrase that makes twinge is: he's good people
Well, if he has multiple personalites...then I guess he could be good people.

[DickT]

Well, if he has multiple personalites...then I guess he could be good people.

did you like the video? thats going to be my halloween costume:lol:

[RingburnDave]

How the hell did I miss this thread, and where my doo rag at. Jesus had a baby it was George Bush and he had a pet otter. I'm voting for president Charlie because were going to war and I like Salad. Beh deh et. What does all this mean. Well i met this really swell girl on the subway however I don't think mom will approve, she hasn't mastered the kings english so well ( sub titles provided ) see video.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-UPLc1f9oY

one phrase that makes twinge is: he's good people

bwaha that video is pure gold. :lol:

[DickT]

bwaha that video is pure gold. :lol:

a total butchering of the Kings English

[ring sting]

did you like the video? thats going to be my halloween costume:lol:

I'm scared... President charlie

[Txclosetgrower]

Irregardless of the fact it's not nice, trolling is fun.

[cheezydemon]

I couldn't irreagree more!;)

[Sickmont]

I couldn't irreagree more!;)

Irreagreeably?

[cheezydemon]

Why not? Your wit and comments are absolutely irreplaceable!......;)

[Sickmont]

Why not? Your wit and comments are absolutely irreplaceable!......;)

Nice insult! I love it!:lol:

[cheezydemon]

Actually I meant it, but I'm glad you got the joke!;)

[Sickmont]

Actually I meant it, but I'm glad you got the joke!;)

I liked that joke a lot. I intend to use it on some of the dumbasses i work with.