how to make oleoresin capsicum!!!!!!!!!

[cap lover]

you take the hottest peppers available, lets just use nagas in our example, and the most concentrated alcohol you can find, lets just say rum, and puree the nagas , place into jar and cover with rum close lid and let sit overnight

habs and vodka might work also but the above example is probably most efficient, you can select which peppers go into the OC extract and make a sauce that is over 1 mil scovilles and ACTUALLY TASTES GOOD!!!

[cap lover]

everclear would be best but i hear you need a license :(

[POTAWIE]

Your only making spicy alcohol not oleoresin

[cap lover]

no, the dark-red oil on top of the alcohol is oleoresin...

[POTAWIE]

Its more complicated than that and very dangerous especially for drunk children.

[GrumpyBear]

why don't you just use the naga puree in the sauce?

[Omri]

How is rum "the most concentrated alcohol you can find"? How 'bout Czech Absinthe, or maybe even Ethanol?

[Canuk Pepperhead]

Its more complicated than that and very dangerous especially for drunk children.

lol too funny

[dreamtheatervt]

How is rum "the most concentrated alcohol you can find"? How 'bout Czech Absinthe, or maybe even Ethanol?

Bacardi 151 is commercially available in all states (probably)
Everclear (95% ethanol) is legal in a few states still (I think)

Pure, 100% ethanol requires Federal permits and every drop of it's use needs to be documented. If you "find" pure ethanol, it is probably denatured (and will say on the container) so you don't need permits, but you wouldn't want to use it for anything you plan to ingest unless you want to get sick in the short term and develop cancer long term.

In short, Bacardi 151 would be the most alcoholic choice widely available.

[Omri]

Bacardi 151 is commercially available in all states (probably)
Everclear (95% ethanol) is legal in a few states still (I think)

Pure, 100% ethanol requires Federal permits and every drop of it's use needs to be documented. If you "find" pure ethanol, it is probably denatured (and will say on the container) so you don't need permits, but you wouldn't want to use it for anything you plan to ingest unless you want to get sick in the short term and develop cancer long term.

In short, Bacardi 151 would be the most alcoholic choice widely available.
What are you talking about? Medical Ethanol can be purchased with standard ID. you need a permit only to transfer large quantities.
You won't get sick if you only digest the product of the process, and somehow I don't think he'll eat it.
BTW Czech Absinthe can be found with 75% - 95%, so that's a good choice as well.

[cap lover]

oh... lol , i'm not drunk nor do i intend to be untill new years... :P i heard that they use a "natural solvent" likely ethanol to make oleoresin capsicum... and that it tastes bad because of poor quality control...

[Dyce51]

everclear would be best but i hear you need a license :(

Everclear is available over the internet and also is sold in some states still...

[Dyce51]

There is a lil more to making a good extract...Yes you can make a crude extract (not as potent) using this method but there is more to it...I have done alot of research before I began making extract....

[dreamtheatervt]

What are you talking about? Medical Ethanol can be purchased with standard ID. you need a permit only to transfer large quantities.
You won't get sick if you only digest the product of the process, and somehow I don't think he'll eat it.
BTW Czech Absinthe can be found with 75% - 95%, so that's a good choice as well.

Maybe in Israel, but in the states you need an FDA permit for anything purer than the ethanol/water azeotrope of 95.5% ethanol, otherwise you have to denature it. I've filled out paper work before.

[Omri]

Maybe in Israel, but in the states you need an FDA permit for anything purer than the ethanol/water azeotrope of 95.5% ethanol, otherwise you have to denature it. I've filled out paper work before.
Why? :shocked:
I can see why you would need permit for the dangerous substances, but Ethanol?
lol I can get LN2 here. :lol:

[dreamtheatervt]

Ethanol is a regulated substance in its pure form, just like many other things you can get in an "impure form" because as a solvent, it can be used to make illegal drugs. Ammonia is the real big one though, lots of meth makers try to steal it from farms. You'd be surprised what all is on the list.

[Omri]

Ethanol is a regulated substance in its pure form, just like many other things you can get in an "impure form" because as a solvent, it can be used to make illegal drugs. Ammonia is the real big one though, lots of meth makers dry to steal it from farms. You'd be surprised what all is on the list.
Wow, ok... :shocked:

[AlabamaJack]

Agree with Dream on the pure ethanol regulated part...

I bought this bottle of everclear at my local liquor store about 3 months ago...I use it to make "Texas Tea" with..

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/4159/021408b001zy9.th.jpg (http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=021408b001zy9.jpg)

There is another ethanol product not available to the general public and drinking it, well, do so at your own risk. It is 99.4% alcohol...198.8 proof...

I worked for a time in the early 80s at the University of Florida performing RadioImmunoAssays for Reproductive Physiology studies on Swine and Cattle. The pure ethanol is used as an extract during the process to remove the water from the solutions. It is impossible to get pure 100% ethanol without using an extraction process. I injected some oranges with this stuff and let me tell you....drunk city after two oranges. Then I found out they used Benzene during the extraction process and the pure Ethanol has some of the benzene still in it...that is what the other 0.6% is. Quit using this stuff after I found out about the Benzene (known Carcinogen).

[DEFCON Creator]

Mmmmm, benzene, breakfast of champions! Try it with a xylene chaser!

[POTAWIE]

I get my benzene fix from second hand smoke.

[DEFCON Creator]

I get my benzene fix from second hand smoke.

Man, now THAT's an inexpensive habit. :shocked:

[cheezydemon]

I have found alcohol to be an incredible extractor of pod heat.

Even a 5% ABV beer will extract nearly all of the heat out of a pod in 14 days. I was shocked when 5 gallons of beer extracted enough heat out of 6 orange habs to make all 5 gallons fiery hot. (read IGG's review if you don't believe me)

[GrumpyBear]

Ethanol is a regulated substance in its pure form, just like many other things you can get in an "impure form" because as a solvent, it can be used to make illegal drugs. Ammonia is the real big one though, lots of meth makers try to steal it from farms. You'd be surprised what all is on the list.
they started adding dye to the ammonia for farms b/c of that, right? i read this story about this huge meth lab in the suburbs that got busted, somehow the neighbors never questioned the massive tank of anhyrdous ammonia in the driveway...

I have found alcohol to be an incredible extractor of pod heat.

Even a 5% ABV beer will extract nearly all of the heat out of a pod in 14 days. I was shocked when 5 gallons of beer extracted enough heat out of 6 orange habs to make all 5 gallons fiery hot. (read IGG's review if you don't believe me)

capsaicin is hydrophobic, its fat and alcohol soluble. also alcohol also affects certain pain nerves making them more sensitive.

[Omri]

capsaicin is hydrophobic, its fat and alcohol soluble. also alcohol also affects certain pain nerves making them more sensitive.
So basically beer + peppers = awesome(?).

[GrumpyBear]

So basically beer + peppers = awesome(?).

yuppers, it also explains why drinking water does nothing to help the burn (it just swishes the cap around to more pain nerves) and why milk stops the burn (it acts like a detergent) any fat would help, if you ate lard or drank vegetable oil that would do it (it would just be gross...)

[Omri]

yuppers, it also explains why drinking water does nothing to help the burn (it just swishes the cap around to more pain nerves) and why milk stops the burn (it acts like a detergent) any fat would help, if you ate lard or drank vegetable oil that would do it (it would just be gross...)
OK... but there's no way I'm eating lard. :oops:

[GrumpyBear]

Agree with Dream on the pure ethanol regulated part...

I bought this bottle of everclear at my local liquor store about 3 months ago...I use it to make "Texas Tea" with..

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/4159/021408b001zy9.th.jpg (http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=021408b001zy9.jpg)

There is another ethanol product not available to the general public and drinking it, well, do so at your own risk. It is 99.4% alcohol...198.8 proof...

I worked for a time in the early 80s at the University of Florida performing RadioImmunoAssays for Reproductive Physiology studies on Swine and Cattle. The pure ethanol is used as an extract during the process to remove the water from the solutions. It is impossible to get pure 100% ethanol without using an extraction process. I injected some oranges with this stuff and let me tell you....drunk city after two oranges. Then I found out they used Benzene during the extraction process and the pure Ethanol has some of the benzene still in it...that is what the other 0.6% is. Quit using this stuff after I found out about the Benzene (known Carcinogen).

i think the maximum purity of alcohol you can reach with distillation alone is 95%, which is coincedently everclears percentage.

[AlabamaJack]

i think the maximum purity of alcohol you can reach with distillation alone is 95%, which is coincedently everclears percentage.

that is correct if I remember my organic chemistry classes I had in the late 70's...seems that our professor said that making a gallon of ethanol (95%) at that time cost $0.64 USD and the rest of the cost was profit and taxes which taxes had the extreme largest percentage. Seems that after the first distillation you are about 90%, second is 93%, third is 95%....I don't think you can get 95% during the first distallation process...

and I agree about alcohol floating the capsaicin easily...I have a brand new bottle of Quervo Especial that I opened when I was doing seed inventory about 2 weeks ago and I put about 8 or 9 wild tepin pods in along with all the "placental" tissue I found during my inventory....took a sip of it last night and WO MAMA...it is hot...forget the taste of the tequilla, this stuff is mighty fine...can't wait to have a dried naga to put in a bottle.....

[dreamtheatervt]

i think the maximum purity of alcohol you can reach with distillation alone is 95%, which is coincedently everclears percentage.

95.5% is the most pure you can make ethanol by distillation. It forms an azeotrope with water at that point, which is why everclear is 95%.

Mmmmm, benzene, breakfast of champions! Try it with a xylene chaser!

At least your body can oxidize xylene and toluene to terephthalic acid and benzoic acid respectively. Benzene has no "handle" for your body to grab onto and oxidize. It just runs around wreaking havoc.

[DEFCON Creator]

"At least your body can oxidize xylene and toluene to terephthalic acid and benzoic acid respectively. Benzene has no "handle" for your body to grab onto and oxidize. It just runs around wreaking havoc."

Hmmmm, kind of like swallowing plate glass.

[Dyce51]

interesting topic... I use everclear and sometimes 151 to make my extracts..I get everclear from a buddy of mine that runs to Chicago every week. It is outlawed here in Ohio...SSSHHHHHHH don't tell no-one though...lol

[AlabamaJack]

kinda like prohibition days huh......

[Omri]

What, like in The Untouchables? :P

[AlabamaJack]

Yup...Dyce, you better be careful, Elliot will be on your trail...

[JayT]

interesting topic... I use everclear and sometimes 151 to make my extracts..I get everclear from a buddy of mine that runs to Chicago every week. It is outlawed here in Ohio...SSSHHHHHHH don't tell no-one though...lol

Guess that makes him a bootlegger.

[JayT]

that is correct if I remember my organic chemistry classes I had in the late 70's...seems that our professor said that making a gallon of ethanol (95%) at that time cost $0.64 USD and the rest of the cost was profit and taxes which taxes had the extreme largest percentage. Seems that after the first distillation you are about 90%, second is 93%, third is 95%....I don't think you can get 95% during the first distallation process...

and I agree about alcohol floating the capsaicin easily...I have a brand new bottle of Quervo Especial that I opened when I was doing seed inventory about 2 weeks ago and I put about 8 or 9 wild tepin pods in along with all the "placental" tissue I found during my inventory....took a sip of it last night and WO MAMA...it is hot...forget the taste of the tequilla, this stuff is mighty fine...can't wait to have a dried naga to put in a bottle.....

I like to make pepper vodka. I usually use about 6 jalapenos stemmed and seeded but placenta intact cut into halves or quarters depending on the size of the pepper and a couple of Thais whole but pricked a few times. I tried this using habs before but it is almost too hot to enjoy. None of my friends would drink it more than once. This recipe makes a wonderful bloody mary but I like it straight.

[Sickmont]

interesting topic... I use everclear and sometimes 151 to make my extracts..

I USE IT TO MAKE MY DRINKS....

[Dyce51]

I USE IT TO MAKE MY DRINKS....

When I was in Louisiana I drank Everclear all the time...I think thats the only way they know to make drinks LOL...well Daquaris at least...lol GGGOOOODDD STUFF I always drank the Cajun Sting Daquari at the Daquari Company...I also bought a couple of bottles while I was there to

[JayT]

When I was in Louisiana I drank Everclear all the time...I think thats the only way they know to make drinks LOL...well Daquaris at least...lol GGGOOOODDD STUFF I always drank the Cajun Sting Daquari at the Daquari Company...I also bought a couple of bottles while I was there to

Can't but that stuff in PA for the last 12-15 years anyway.:(

[GrumpyBear]

i'm not sure we have it in canada, the only time i ever tried it was when i was in baltimore visiting a friend. we rely on plain ol' moonshine here. school science labs have a hard time keeping their supplies stocked...

[DEFCON Creator]

"we rely on plain ol' moonshine here. school science labs have a hard time keeping their supplies stocked..."

Your schools use moonshine? Man, I wish I went to THAT school district!

[GrumpyBear]

lol, no they just have all the equipment to build a still. a friend of mine who was a chem major had a still in his res room, apparently most of the chem majors were theiving bastards. he had to take the whole thing apart and hide all the peices over winter break cuz they do a check of each room then.

[dreamtheatervt]

apparently most of the chem majors were theiving bastards. he had to take the whole thing apart and hide all the peices over winter break cuz they do a check of each room then.

HEY!!! I take umbrage to that insinuation, but not all chem majors are thieves :)

I wouldn't want to use any of my glassware from the lab for anything I would consume, regardless of how many times I washed/base bathed/cooked it and rinsed it. That's just plain stupid.

[Dyce51]

all my lab glassware I bought brand new specificly for making my extracts...

[GrumpyBear]

I wouldn't want to use any of my glassware from the lab for anything I would consume, regardless of how many times I washed/base bathed/cooked it and rinsed it. That's just plain stupid.

back then i was kind of a lightweight so i never touched the stuff, although also because that guy was smart but i saw him do some royally stupid things. i once saw him eat an entire can of expired whip cream after finding out it was expired. then there was hallway bowling... and those were the things he did sober. so i kinda kept expecting to hear about a whole bunch of teenagers going blind after a party, or something along those lines. the maritimes is a crazy place...

[cap lover]

i just learned tat they use acetonitrile to extract peppers...

BLEH!!! maybe THAT'S what makes them taste so bad!!!

i heard that there's a flavorless extract called habanera 750?

has anyone tried this or know someone who has? because if it really has no flavor then thats an impressive feat!

[DEFCON Creator]

i just learned tat they use acetonitrile to extract peppers...
BLEH!!! maybe THAT'S what makes them taste so bad!!!
i heard that there's a flavorless extract called habanera 750?
has anyone tried this or know someone who has? because if it really has no flavor then thats an impressive feat!

Habanera 750? Never heard of it. Welcome to Defcon ZERO country. Resistance is futile. :hell:

[Omri]

Habanera 750? Never heard of it. Welcome to Defcon ZERO country. Resistance is futile. :hell:
How much will it cost me to get in this "country"?

[DEFCON Creator]

How much will it cost me to get in this "country"?

We are in the middle of making another batch. It usually takes 3-4 months to make about 1/2 gallon.

[Sickmont]

Can't but that stuff in PA for the last 12-15 years anyway.:(

What about Maryland or Virginia/West Virginia?

[Sickmont]

lol, no they just have all the equipment to build a still. a friend of mine who was a chem major had a still in his res room, apparently most of the chem majors were theiving bastards. he had to take the whole thing apart and hide all the peices over winter break cuz they do a check of each room then.

It doesn't take much to build a still, except if anything you really ought to find someone who's a halfway decent welder.

[Sickmont]

When I was in Louisiana I drank Everclear all the time...I think thats the only way they know to make drinks LOL...well Daquaris at least...lol GGGOOOODDD STUFF I always drank the Cajun Sting Daquari at the Daquari Company...I also bought a couple of bottles while I was there to

Cheapest party in the world. 1 fifth of Everclear, 2 3-liters of soda and myself and 7 or 8 good friends get tossed in no time flat. All for $12 to $14 bucks. Ahhh, the good old days....

[JayT]

What about Maryland or Virginia/West Virginia?

Haven't ever seen it in MD, but never looked in VA or WVA.

[cap lover]

i'm goin' to new jersey!!!

where might that superfund site be creator?

maybe i could take the temptation to taste that defcon zero mixed with 16 million away? ... jk, i think i should get some defcon #1 though! i hope you don't use acetonitrile in your extract!!!

[cap lover]

hey, if you don't know what i'm talking about then guess what!!!

defcon creator once put 16 million reserve into an ultrasonic cleaner to break it up, then proceeded to put the reserve into a small batch of defcon zero, needless to say he is saving it for a party when someone won't leave!!! :P

[DEFCON Creator]

hey, if you don't know what i'm talking about then guess what!!!

defcon creator once put 16 million reserve into an ultrasonic cleaner to break it up, then proceeded to put the reserve into a small batch of defcon zero, needless to say he is saving it for a party when someone won't leave!!! :P

May I ask what you're talking about?

I have plenty of 16 million crystal (NO, it's not for sale!), and wouldn't ever even THINK about putting it into a product for regular consumption. Please don't imply that I do.

[cap lover]

but you said so yourself, on the hotsauceblog ???

i SAW THE POST!!!

[Canuk Pepperhead]

Im thinking you might have misread his thread over there..Read twice and post once lol