THe wounderful world of chinense

[stillmanz]

I'm a bit hung over and its alittle rainy out side so I was just trolling the net and went on to thechileman.org and was searching through the data base 60 somethin pages of chinense photos of pods and flowers.
what strikes meis the incredible variance in pod shape and even flowers... many of the flowers have straight up charectoristics of frutescen. I noticed there were even somepequin type pods.
I like the lookof the malasian chinense .
I'm thinking I might start a collection of the more obscure
types.
SO heres the question I'm obviously chasing quality seeds were to start, private collector or organisation, anyone got any tips?
I'm looking at you Potawie lol
PM meif you want to be secretive and keep the rest in the dark...it can be our secret lol

..But seriously if your bored gocheck that data base out you could get lost in there and the difference on the plants (even in the leaves OMRI lol) will blow your mind.

Mick

[chilehunter]

:lol: lets not forget chinense chiles are roundish :lol:

[stillmanz]

Don't get me started lol

...waits patiently for Omri..... lol

[tony05]

He must be in bed mate.... he is taking his time.

[rainbowberry]

..But seriously if your bored gocheck that data base out you could get lost in there and the difference on the plants (even in the leaves OMRI lol) will blow your mind.


I know what you mean about that site, it's brilliant, no matter how many times you look at it you'll always find something you haven't seen previously. Brilliant site Mark and Julian.

[cheezydemon]

It almost seems like there should be more sub classes. It is mind boggling!

And as for pure seeds, everything is a hybrid and some mix would probably be the most obscure one there is!

The brazillian chiles is also a mind boggling category. I would say that 80% are not even formally named.

[GrumpyBear]

:lol: lets not forget chinense chiles are roundish :lol:
after posting that i remembered the aribibi gusano is a chinense with non-roundish pods (unless you *really* emphasized the 'ish')
drop in the bucket, but still interesting (to me, anyways)
i love the chinenses, they're the majority of what i'm growing. It's not just heat, they're packed with flavour.

[cap lover]

if you like the chinense flavor then try some sweet datil if you like the heat,try the hot versions but most chinenses have flavour :P

[chilehunter]

GB - I forgot who said the "roundish" comment but even me being just a hobby chile grower I know alot of chinense chiles are very different in many ways. I wanted to add that comment to this thread because even loki said my orange plum didnt look like a chinense, I dont know maybe it is or maybe it aint ?

stillz - I never really looked through every chinense plant chileman has on the website, more or less I didnt want to go through 67 pages :lol: but going through 10 pages you can see the differences that chinense chiles have in pods,leaves,flowers,etc...
I saw "guam boonies" in CCN chinense search, I only had to look through 5 pages = much easier :lol: & those guam boonies are classified as a chinense & they look just like a thai chile! go figure since some others would say its not a chinense.

omri - come on dont ignore this thread, we all know you've seen this thread. come on in & argue your facts or just say " you know what I guess I was wrong " its not a big deal to be wrong every now & then.

[cmpman1974]

There are two versions of Guam Boonies. One is C. Frutescens and the other is C. Chinense. I've grown both.

If what we all grow is not "obscure" C. Chinense varieties, I don't know where else to go. lol. Obviously, Trinidad is one of the heartlands of unusual peppers. I'm sure there are other places.

I've even been told a Chocolate Bih Jolokia will be released in 2009. Man, would I love to grow that this season. lol.

Chris


GB - I forgot who said the "roundish" comment but even me being just a hobby chile grower I know alot of chinense chiles are very different in many ways. I wanted to add that comment to this thread because even loki said my orange plum didnt look like a chinense, I dont know maybe it is or maybe it aint ?

stillz - I never really looked through every chinense plant chileman has on the website, more or less I didnt want to go through 67 pages :lol: but going through 10 pages you can see the differences that chinense chiles have in pods,leaves,flowers,etc...
I saw "guam boonies" in CCN chinense search, I only had to look through 5 pages = much easier :lol: & those guam boonies are classified as a chinense & they look just like a thai chile! go figure since some others would say its not a chinense.

omri - come on dont ignore this thread, we all know you've seen this thread. come on in & argue your facts or just say " you know what I guess I was wrong " its not a big deal to be wrong every now & then.

[GrumpyBear]

well chinenses are known for extreme pod variations, even on the same plant. i always wonder what's behind that.
i know this roundish thing is like the topic that won't end but i think they were using the scientic classification definition where if you encompass the object in a circle and more than a certain percentage of the area of that circle is taken up by the object (more than 50% but i can't remember the exact number) then its roundish, so like a fatalii is considered roundish even tho its pointy right but like a thai isn't even close. i went through a dozen or so of chilemans chinenses (man this post must be doing wonders for his traffic) and found another exception to the roundish generalization, but the aribibi in particular was an interesting exception to me for reasons that could make this post even more long and boring. but i promise this is the end of the great roundish debate.

[chilehunter]

cmpman - both sites only show the chinense version of guam boonies/donie sali & the picture from CCN they look just like a thai, IMO

GB - roundish is a circle a round object. I'm sorry but I dont consider fatalii,devils tongue,bhuts,etc..... as being round pods, not even close. if you consider those to be round pods then a thai can also be considered round they pretty much have the same pod shape only smaller in size, thais have like 3 different shapes of pods.

caribbean red,orange hab,tepins, & other chiles like these pods are round ;)

[GrumpyBear]

not getting sucked in, i'm done i said my peice. we can all think what we think.

you guys were baiting omri and i'm the one that bit.

so stillmanz what are you considering an obscure chinense, are you looking for wild ones or just funny ones, or ones noones ever heard of?

[stillmanz]

things like cili Goronong (spelling)
mainly just interesting pods and also the unusual to chinensis shapes that sort of thing. I'm working on a list.

Mick

[POTAWIE]

I'm anxious to see how the cili goronong does for me this year. I'm really getting into the unusual looking chinenses as well as the flavorful.

[Biscombe]

I wish the chiliman would open up an online shop!!!!

[POTAWIE]

Then it would be too easy and wouldn't be any fun

[chilehunter]

you guys were baiting omri and i'm the one that bit.



no, stillz wanted to debate some facts with omri, I had nothing to do with this other than making that 1st comment, I was just BS'ing around.

omri has been low key lately, I wonder if theres a "gilmore girls" marathon going on ? ;):lol::P:P

[stillmanz]

lol I wasn't even really wanting to debate Omri... He's seen all this stuff before, he knows. I just stuck to my gun like he does (over everything) I ment no malace, just the old glass houses thing I guess...
plus I do think everyone should have a look at that site it is impressive.

Hey Potawie I'm gonna give John F a pm you get much stuff of him?

[POTAWIE]

JohnF has tonnes of stuff. I've never got anything directly from him but he is very generous and knowledgeable. Let me know what cool, unusual varieties you find and I'll send you a package shortly.

[stillmanz]

he sent me some stuff a few years ago he's a good guy.
I'll see what he says.

[tony05]

I wonder if theres a "gilmore girls" marathon going on ?


AAAAAahhhhhhhhhhahahahaha LMFAO

My wife used to watch that show..... scary stuff

[rainbowberry]

I wish the chiliman would open up an online shop!!!!
He's got an online shopping bit but not for seeds, just clothes or sauces when they're in stock.

[Omri]

I'm a bit hung over and its alittle rainy out side so I was just trolling the net and went on to thechileman.org and was searching through the data base 60 somethin pages of chinense photos of pods and flowers.
what strikes meis the incredible variance in pod shape and even flowers... many of the flowers have straight up charectoristics of frutescen. I noticed there were even somepequin type pods.
I like the lookof the malasian chinense .
I'm thinking I might start a collection of the more obscure
types.
SO heres the question I'm obviously chasing quality seeds were to start, private collector or organisation, anyone got any tips?
I'm looking at you Potawie lol
PM meif you want to be secretive and keep the rest in the dark...it can be our secret lol

..But seriously if your bored gocheck that data base out you could get lost in there and the difference on the plants (even in the leaves OMRI lol) will blow your mind.

Mick

Don't get me started lol

...waits patiently for Omri..... lol
Someone called my name? :)
Well as most of us know (as I learned not too long ago), most peppers contain several types of genes.
The ones with the "characteristics of frutescen", contain the frutescens genes that are the source of those characteristics.
"Pure" Chinense, would not have ANY of those characteristics.

GB - I forgot who said the "roundish" comment but even me being just a hobby chile grower I know alot of chinense chiles are very different in many ways. I wanted to add that comment to this thread because even loki said my orange plum didnt look like a chinense, I dont know maybe it is or maybe it aint ?

stillz - I never really looked through every chinense plant chileman has on the website, more or less I didnt want to go through 67 pages but going through 10 pages you can see the differences that chinense chiles have in pods,leaves,flowers,etc...
I saw "guam boonies" in CCN chinense search, I only had to look through 5 pages = much easier & those guam boonies are classified as a chinense & they look just like a thai chile! go figure since some others would say its not a chinense.

omri - come on dont ignore this thread, we all know you've seen this thread. come on in & argue your facts or just say " you know what I guess I was wrong " its not a big deal to be wrong every now & then.
Not ignoring, just really shocked from all the attention I got.
I'm swamped with work, and I was awfully sick in the last few days.

no, stillz wanted to debate some facts with omri, I had nothing to do with this other than making that 1st comment, I was just BS'ing around.

omri has been low key lately, I wonder if theres a "gilmore girls" marathon going on ?
Well you got my comment, and no... there wasn't any "marathon". :lol:

[stillmanz]

"pure chinenses" please...
get out of the lab and enjoy the plant. You need to start growing chillis and experiencing all the variables, all the things that just happen before you can start telling people how it is.

[Omri]

Did I say something wrong? anyways, I didn't mean to. :shocked:
You started a discussion, and I participated. you didn't really think EVERYONE will agree with you, right?

[stillmanz]

pfft
I'm not gonna dignify that with a response, you believe what you gotta man.

[tony05]

im with ya stillmanz...... it dont have to be pure and textbook to be enjoyable.

a couple of years back i had a jalapeno plant next to some sort of thai chilli with red hot arrow head shaped little pods that started out all sorts of colours like purple, yellow and orange.

anyway...... i left that town and moved. i dug up the jalapeno and brought it with me but it didnt survive the move. it had one pod on it so i kept the seeds and when i planted them last season i got large light green arrow head shaped jalapenos that are 10 time hotter than usual. they were great..... the best of both worlds. i still have seeds too !

the best dog i had when i was a kid was a german shepard / irish setter cross. loyal, smart and gentle but yould defend you to the death.

im loving growing the chinense chillis..... they are great! i love the flavours and the plants look fantastic. They really seem to love the australian climate.

i just planted a 7 pot/pod seed in a pot in my garage to see if i can get it to kick off to over winter and get a long harvest from next year.

cheers

[stillmanz]

did you get those devil tongue in the ground too Tony?

[tony05]

ground...... what ground.

i have a swamp!!!

Im planning on that one too mate.... as well as a trinidad scorpion. just need to find a pot to put a seed in. i even kept some rain water in a pump pack to water them with..... not that there is much of that around at the moment.

after handling the 7 pot seed..... i licked my fingers..... it took almost 30 seconds then this slow building burn developed on my tongue. Scary stuff!

cheers

[stillmanz]

I just puta trinidad garden in
congopepper
trinis hot cherry
trinidad scorpion
seven pot
got a wet pot system running and just sowed seeds direct.
I never dothis but its an experiment.
I find chilliplants in my climate dobetter directly sown, youmay lose a few but what survives always grows faster and stronger.
It will either work for me or not.
I'm getting back to nature .....lol

[AlabamaJack]

i just planted a 7 pot/pod seed in a pot in my garage to see if i can get it to kick off to over winter and get a long harvest from next year.

cheers

Tony - I planted some 7 Pot from Tdad and they all sprouted and are up with leaves in 9 days....kept them at ~30C.

[tony05]

Stillmanz...... i do agree....... direct sown plants are the go.

I have the same chillis as you by the sounds of it and im very excited. Might put one seed of each in a pot ans one of each in the ground to see how they go. Its a bit cooler down here in the winter so they may not live through the winter and that would be a waste of very hard to get..... precious seeds!

i have considered the posibility of putting stakes around them and wrapping them in clear plastic to heat them through the winter. not sure if this works but i see a lot of seedlings planted by the greenies and council like this... so it nust work.

will give it a go and keep records..... nothing ventured... nothing gained.

cheers

[stillmanz]

Do you get much frost?
If you don't get frost they should be sweet they'll slow down and look ordinary but they shouldn't die if you get mild frost maybe a bit of shade cloth for cover or I see you can get those frost bags there pretty cool, even saw them at bunnings.

I was reading about congopepper crops in Trinidad and they are sown direct picked twice and then turned back in for optimum size.
My fathers been telling me to sow direct for years but i'm always too precious about the seeds lol.

[Chiliac]

I have some red and yellow Habanero Seeds atm, if you need any.....

Sorry, but that seems to be all the chin. I have plenty of atm.

[cap lover]

wewt! i have the legendary 7 pod, YAAAAAY! the most varied pod shape pepper of all time!!!! some even look like pears, while others look similar to scorpions! or wrinkled pimply freaks...

[Omri]

wewt! i have the legendary 7 pod, YAAAAAY! the most varied pod shape pepper of all time!!!! some even look like pears, while others look similar to scorpions! or wrinkled pimply freaks...
What are you talking about?
7 Pod = roundish + lumpy
Anything else is crossing with other pepper, and no... it's not 'the most varied pod shape pepper of all time', but it is really cool. :lol:

[stillmanz]

Cap you would like cili gorongong (spelling) too do a google or check out thechileman
very cool shaped pods

I have found Most chinensis have the potential for interesting shapes.

[POTAWIE]

I love the Guadaloupe hab for cool shapes(and size) and can't wait for the Cili Goronong pods too.

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6273/1589186001ad547256e4ua6.jpg

[stillmanz]

drools alittle... I need some of them potawie....

[POTAWIE]

You're next on my list Stillmanz but I've only got maybe 4 seeds left of the Cili Goronong.
I've got another really cool looking mystery variety that I call the ?mystery vulture pepper or Potawie Wowie but unfortunately its a hybrid and the F2's I grew weren't as impressive (in shape) as the F1. I have an F1 clone and an overwintered mother and I'm also going to try some F3 seeds to see how they turn out.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4425/july24002vu8.jpg

[billyboy]

as always POTAWIE, fantastic looking plants:)

[stillmanz]

Very cool, Potawie John F is sending me some cili goronong. not sure if its red or yellow but.

Those plants look magic


Ever thought of
moving Down here?
If you lived in OZ you could grow chilli all year round, eat giant prawns, chase tanned women, drink cold beer and let me hangout with you lol

Mick

[POTAWIE]

My buddy is trying to get me to move to Brazil, but Australia sounds great too. They are playing a Australian travel commercial here a lot with a beautiful Aussie girl on the beach and she's really tempting me mate. I'd love to travel or move for a few years but I need to save some money or find some work immediately upon arrival.

[GrumpyBear]

is there a particular need for economists in australia? I was planning to work the NAFTA job list after graduation and totally sell out for a couple years but australia has been getting so much more attractive, the only problem is there's no canada/australia PTA that helps me out...
also, what is the crocodile situation? and and the shark situation? and the forest fire situation? and any other situations that an incredibly anxious and nerotic individual would need to know about?

[stillmanz]

Safest place on earth, I've walked around it for 30 years and never been biten by snakes or spiders (deadly ones anyway) eaten by sharks or crocodiles. the place has alot of cool stuff wildlife etc but its not hicksville either Sydney is a city of world standard, Brisbane has greater sprawl then LA (not necesarily a good thing lol).
Melbourne and Adelaide have the great restuarants .Darwin and Cairns is were the crocks and sharks will get you lol. No there just hot and sticky but really beutiful.

check it out on the net or ask a marine those guys seem to be here every other month.

POTAWIE what do you do? I'm casing jobs for you. lol

[AlabamaJack]

I just puta trinidad garden in
congopepper
trinis hot cherry
trinidad scorpion
seven pot
got a wet pot system running and just sowed seeds direct.
I never do this but its an experiment.


Just wondering if any of your seeds have sprouted yet....

I have the same chillis as you by the sounds of it and im very excited. Might put one seed of each in a pot ans one of each in the ground to see how they go. Its a bit cooler down here in the winter so they may not live through the winter and that would be a waste of very hard to get..... precious seeds!

i have considered the posibility of putting stakes around them and wrapping them in clear plastic to heat them through the winter. not sure if this works but i see a lot of seedlings planted by the greenies and council like this... so it nust work.

will give it a go and keep records..... nothing ventured... nothing gained.

cheers

Did you plant any seeds Tony?

Reason I ask is I planted the same seeds as you and would like to compare notes.....mine are 12 days in the ground longer than yours (27 January 2008)