NagaJolokia,Tezpur or PC-1?

[Ozarkrocker]

Howdy y'all, I have these seeds I bought a while back that where named Naga Jolokia and are said to be pencil thin, now I know these are not the real Nagas, but I don't know what to call them? I looked at the chileman website and found a Naga jolokia (not the real one) named Tezpur, I guess out of Tezpur India? I also was looking at the PC-1 but I know almost nothing about the PC-1. I would just like to know what to call this tall lanky plant with not too many leaves, and it's just about to flower so I should have my first pepper soon. If anyone can help me out that would be great thanks!

Jason

[POTAWIE]

All of the above names are correct but I call it PC-1 to avoid comparison with Bhut Jolokia and Nagas

[billyboy]

Im growing this plant too, the Tezpur is the chinense variety, Im not particularly fond of it, its full of seeds, lacks any real flavour & I wont be growing it again:)

[tony05]

Hi there.

I have about 8 of these plants growing at the moment. Some of the pods are turning red now. My brother and i are going to sample them through the week. I will give a progress report on flavour and heat levels.

As for names........ i call it Naga PC-1. I too bought them as Naga Jolokia not really knowing much about really hot chillis but this and other sites have opened my eyes to whats hot and whats not.

The PC-1 is a great plant, its tough and produces some great yeilds.

I will take some pics of the plants tomorrow with all the chillis on them. I have had to steak them to hold them up.

here is a pic of one plants pods. one plant i have has the pods growing erect and this is considered a quality of the variety aparently.

cheers

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/tonymoy/NagaJolokiaPC-1downright.jpg

[Ozarkrocker]

Thanks guys! I will be calling it PC-1 now. Nice pic Tony05! Like you I will take a picture of the plant that I'm growing too. Tell me how they taste and where the heat level is at. I also love this website for helping me with all my chile questions!

[Omri]

Im growing this plant too, the Tezpur is the chinense variety, Im not particularly fond of it, its full of seeds, lacks any real flavour & I wont be growing it again:)
PC-1 is 100% not Chinense.
Some say Annuum, some Frutescens, but Chinense it's not.
TheChileMan.org is a bit outdated.
Just by looking at the plant you can see it's not, but what I'm relying on are some of the tests done.

[billyboy]

The Tezpur is reported to be the chinense variety! I got the seeds from Tony of Naga seeds & he also had them marked as Tezpur C.Chinense. The pods on my plant grow upright not downward, Ill count how many pods per node tomorrow, but still its not a fav plant.

[Omri]

The only reason why one would call "it" a Chinense is relying on the early "Naga Jolokia" reports.
Long and pointy = Annuum (Frutescens at best)
The only Chinense "Naga" is Naga Morich (of course there's the Bhut and Bih as well).

Even without the tests (that showed it's Annuum), just take a good look at the plant.
Chinense plants have special characteristics.

[stillmanz]

My prik kee nu suan are chinnesis they are up right and (by pod shape and plant structure) as frutescen as it gets but they are chinensis, until you see the flowers and node developments the verdicts out.
takes deep breath gets another beer lol...

[Omri]

There's also the thing with the leaves. ;)

[Ozarkrocker]

Can it be, so much C.Chinense and so much C.Frutescens kinda like what went on with the Bhut, Morich, you know the real Nagas?? Not saying that they are even close to the same thing.

[Omri]

Just saying that the only reason some are calling PC-1 a Chinense is because the early reports said "Naga Jolokia is the hottest pepper in the world with more than 850,000SHU... tests showed it has Chinense genes...", and then someone showed up with the PC-1 pepper and claimed it's the "Naga Jolokia".
BUT they were talking about the Bhut Jolokia/Bih Jolokia or even the Naga morich, not PC-1.

EDIT:
Not trying to argue, just sharing what I know.

[stillmanz]

Omri can you find a link for all the check lists
to define charectoristics of pepper types.
ie number of nodes etc
flower structure.
I can't seem to find a good link... just for everyone else who don't know.

whats the story with leaf structure?

[Ozarkrocker]

Omri, what your saying makes total sense, but I'm like stillmanz, I don't really know about the leaves, I do agree they don't look chinense.

[POTAWIE]

Omri's right, they are C. annuums (or C. frutescens), definitely not C. chinense.

I won't grow this one again either.

[stillmanz]

Leaf size can be variable to environment. c chinensis covers a lot of ground.... I'm just curious regarding structure I'm a little vague on this...is this what you ment Omri?

[billyboy]

This might prove handy to someone out there!

http://faq.gardenweb.com/faq/lists/pepper/2003024837000364.html

[Omri]

Hmm can't find a good source on differences as well.
Anyways, not too long ago I had over 100 little seedlings.
In that bunch I had 6 different kinds of Chinense peppers and even more kinds of Frutescens (I did have some Annuum as well).
Imagine all of them in rows, side by side.
At the early stage (first sets of leaves) the Chinense kinda standout, pigment and shape-wise.
As the plants grow bigger, the pigment is becoming the same and the shape is also quite similar.
It's not something I can really put my finger on, but the eye can tell the difference.
It's more of special Chinense characteristic than something you can relate to every species.
If I had any of the plants I would have showed a picture of them side by side.
It's just different, you can see it's a Chinense as soon as the second or third set of leaves.

[stillmanz]

Willard would have a field day with that response.
Environment can alter vegitive growth dramatically...I agree most chinensis are pretty obvious to pic but it's not always so cut and dry.

[Ozarkrocker]

This might prove handy to someone out there!

http://faq.gardenweb.com/faq/lists/pepper/2003024837000364.html


Thanks Billyboy, that page really helped me out and confirmed Omri's idea, to me it sounds C.Annuum, but I'm not 100% shure?

[Omri]

Willard would have a field day with that response.
Environment can alter vegitive growth dramatically...I agree most chinensis are pretty obvious to pic but it's not always so cut and dry.
I'm not claiming to know EVERYTHING or even 1%, but I do share the little I know. ;)

[stillmanz]

@ ozarkrocker so your plant has flowers?

[stillmanz]

Omri you sure do share... lol

[Ozarkrocker]

@ ozarkrocker so your plant has flowers?

Yep, but just a couple.

[Omri]

Yep, but just a couple.
Take a picture, that'll tell you.

[Ozarkrocker]

Take a picture, that'll tell you.


Shure Thing! I will get it on ASAP!

[jarvass85]

Last year I grew the PC-1 Thinking it was the Naga Jolokia. I think I bought them from Reiemer seeds, needless to say I was disappointed.
Here is a picture of them, they are a pretty much useless pepper.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c298/jarvass/111.jpg

[bentalphanerd]

They look so nice. But the verdict is in. Unworthy through & through.

[jarvass85]

That was about it they look nice, but I had so many peppers you couldn't eat. They had you real taste, no heat, and were all seed.

[Omri]

Stop bashing them, they're still Capsicum! show some respect. :lol:

[TriniHottie]

Jarvass85... Why you say useless...? those are NICE...

[bentalphanerd]

Unworthy - they should be abolished for the benefit of decent scoville loving people throughout the world!

[jarvass85]

You just couldn't use them for much. Ok, I'm offending people, so I'm just going to say they are no what i expected.

[bentalphanerd]

You can use them for compost :D

[stillmanz]

They look like a million other types don't they. the pods that billyboy let us taste were shorter but just full of seeds and after a million much hotter things that day I got very little distictive taste.
look I think that what is marketed as pc1 is annum or frutescens its been proven but Billyboy got his seeds from Tony at Naga seeds he bought them as tezpur he was told they were chinensis so I am gonna wait and see what BBs plant gives up node wise.
tezpur or whatever it may be chinensis.

[Omri]

They look like a million other types don't they. the pods that billyboy let us taste were shorter but just full of seeds and after a million much hotter things that day I got very little distictive taste.
look I think that what is marketed as pc1 is annum or frutescens its been proven but Billyboy got his seeds from Tony at Naga seeds he bought them as tezpur he was told they were chinensis so I am gonna wait and see what BBs plant gives up node wise.
tezpur or whatever it may be chinensis.
That's the thing, when people first referred to it as "Naga Jolokia", they thought it's the Chinense type (and it's not).
I don't know, maybe billyboy here has a weird undiscovered Chinense version... who knows?

[Ozarkrocker]

Here is a pic of my pc-1 plant.

[bentalphanerd]

That's the thing, when people first referred to it as "Naga Jolokia", they thought it's the Chinense type (and it's not).
I don't know, maybe billyboy here has a weird undiscovered Chinense version... who knows?

After seeing billyboys place first hand a few days ago & his setup & plants it wouldn't surprise me. The man has green thumbs, fingers, elbows & toenails. And a very knowledgeable gardener thrown in.

He could also discern a taste difference between a hydro naga morich pod & a dirt grown one whereas both to me were like being hit in the forehead by the same cricket bat.

[Ozarkrocker]

Hold on the picture is not wanting to upload,

[chilehunter]

I grew them last season & no they are not HOT, BUT they're not a worthless chile either! do you consider a cayenne or a thai chile worthless ? the pc-1/naga jolokia is about as hot as a cayenne & the pod is like some thais with it being thin fleshed & packed full with seeds.


but if you're looking to grow a chile that drops you to the floor once eating the pod, then no this is not a chile you'd want to grow.

[stillmanz]

My point is he may have a chinensis that looks like an annumor frutescens species

Omri said
"The only reason why one would call "it" a Chinense is relying on the early "Naga Jolokia" reports.
Long and pointy = Annuum (Frutescens at best)
The only Chinense "Naga" is Naga Morich (of course there's the Bhut and Bih as well).

Even without the tests (that showed it's Annuum), just take a good look at the plant.
Chinense plants have special characteristics."

and I'm saying that is just to vague a statement without looking at the plant particuliarly the flowers and how they grow. hence the Willard would love this thread statement...it just bugs me thats all.

[bentalphanerd]

Host your pic online Ozarkrocker - like www.imageshack.us/ then copy the link into your post.
THP cant upload the pic for you.

[bentalphanerd]

I grew them last season & no they are not HOT, BUT they're not a worthless chile either! do you consider a cayenne or a thai chile worthless ? the pc-1/naga jolokia is about as hot as a cayenne & the pod is like some thais with it being thin fleshed & packed full with seeds.


but if you're looking to grow a chile that drops you to the floor once eating the pod, then no this is not a chile you'd want to grow.

True, but if they are heatless {was mentioned up there somewhere} whats the point?

[chilehunter]

bent - is that what you use ? imageshack ? where you need to click on the picture to enlarge. I did that before I think somewhere & theres spyware attached so I stopped clicking on those pictures you need to enlarge to see.

ozark - go to photobucket its easy to use they can also upload your pictures

[Ozarkrocker]

Host your pic online Ozarkrocker - like www.imageshack.us/ then copy the link into your post.
THP cant upload the pic for you.


Thanks for the tip! I think I got it though.

[Ozarkrocker]

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii300/Ajiamarillo1/pc1.jpg[/IMG]

[Omri]

My point is he may have a chinensis that looks like an annumor frutescens species

Omri said
"The only reason why one would call "it" a Chinense is relying on the early "Naga Jolokia" reports.
Long and pointy = Annuum (Frutescens at best)
The only Chinense "Naga" is Naga Morich (of course there's the Bhut and Bih as well).

Even without the tests (that showed it's Annuum), just take a good look at the plant.
Chinense plants have special characteristics."

and I'm saying that is just to vague a statement without looking at the plant particuliarly the flowers and how they grow. hence the Willard would love this thread statement...it just bugs me thats all.
I only know one pepper that looks like that from Tezpur, and it's the PC-1.
BUT like I said before, I'm not claiming to know EVERYTHING... I'm open to new ideas, even though I try to share as much as I can from my own knowledge.

[chilehunter]

bent - the naga jolokias I grew where not heatless. maybe to your tastebuds if you eat bhuts & real nagas everyday then yea their heatless. but a cayenne is not heatless & they're around that SHU level IMO

[bentalphanerd]

bent - is that what you use ? imageshack ? where you need to click on the picture to enlarge. I did that before I think somewhere & theres spyware attached so I stopped clicking on those pictures you need to enlarge to see.

ozark - go to photobucket its easy to use they can also upload your pictures

chilehunter - the spyware that your machine is detecting is just the ad on the page and maybe a cookie to see how many views the pic gets. Nothing dodgy in it.

[Omri]

Ozarkrocker @ lol, just put this in your messege:
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9153/pc1wn0.th.jpg (http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pc1wn0.jpg)

[bentalphanerd]

lol i couldn't eat that everyday...like i said, cricket bat to the forehead. You spend an indeterminable period of time just staring at the sky & drooling :lol:

[Ozarkrocker]

OMG! Finally!!! I feel like an idiot. It's a bit big,sorry.

[stillmanz]

Omri sorry I may not have made myself clear I don't give two sh@ts about tezpur, pc1 naga jolokia etc lol
I'll break it down...
You said "Long and pointy = Annuum (Frutescens at best)" I disagree chinensis come in many shapes
You said " just take a good look at the plant.
Chinense plants have special characteristics."

again its not that simple, anyway I don't care anymore. That was my point about 15 post ago and I still doubt you get were I'm comming from lol.

[Ozarkrocker]

Thanks guys for waiting.LOL!

[bentalphanerd]

OMG! Finally!!! I feel like an idiot. It's a bit big,sorry.

fits on my screen :cool: nice pic too

[chilehunter]

ozark - you can resize the pictures to fit in forums better, at least photobucket has that option. I think 640x800 is the size you want for forums

[Omri]

Omri sorry I may not have made myself clear I don't give two sh@ts about tezpur, pc1 naga jolokia etc lol
I'll break it down...
You said "Long and pointy = Annuum (Frutescens at best)" I disagree chinensis come in many shapes
You said " just take a good look at the plant.
Chinense plants have special characteristics."

again its not that simple, anyway I don't care anymore. That was my point about 15 post ago and I still doubt you get were I'm comming from lol.
Oh... ok, now I see. :lol:
I think you misunderstood me.
Yeah, maybe the "just take a good look at the plant" wasn't the most scientific comment, but from what I've seen so far it works.
Also the "Long and pointy = Annuum (Frutescens at best)" was regarding the Naga peppers.
If it's long and pointy, then it's not the Chinense Naga.
The Chinense Nagas are Bhut/Bih/Morich. I wasn't saying there's no long and pointy Chinense peppers.

[Ozarkrocker]

Thanks, I can try to do that, but it might take me another half hour.LOL!!!

[Omri]

Thanks, I can try to do that, but it might take me another half hour.LOL!!!
Ozarkrocker @ lol, just put this in your messege:
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9153/pc1wn0.th.jpg (http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pc1wn0.jpg)

... :rolleyes:

[POTAWIE]

Has anybody tried the Indian PC-2 ? It appears to be a C. frutescens

[Ozarkrocker]

... :rolleyes:

It was a joke dude.:lol: Here is another picture, this is of the leaf.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii300/Ajiamarillo1/pc12.jpg[/IMG]

[Pam]

Ozarkrocker, can you get a picture of the inside of the flower?

Or, you can go here: http://www.g6csy.net/chile/index.html

Look at the menu on the left, click on the species. There are excellent descriptions of each species with some good pictures.

[Ozarkrocker]

Has anybody tried the Indian PC-2 ? It appears to be a C. frutescens

Never herd of it? Where could I see one of these, is there a website with some info?

[Ozarkrocker]

Nevermind my last post. people are so fast to post! lol I can check out that site that Pam's talkin' about.

[stillmanz]

Thats a good link Pam.

[Ozarkrocker]

I just want to thank everyone for helping me out with this pepper, and having a good chat. I also now know how to upload pics to web, thanks for that too.:) Well I gotta run, I will talk to ya' later.

Jason

[GrumpyBear]

wow, you sleep in one day and look what you miss...
here's my two sense (a little simpler than you all made it...): look at the flowers: do they have white petals with black stamens (chinense) or white petals with light stamens (anuum)
for other characteristics i like this link:
http://www.saunalahti.fi/~thietavu/Chili/L_wild.htm
it's kind of overkill cuz it includes a bunch of wild varieties but in defense of omri's point i direct your attention to the table on chinenses where it says 'berry: roundish'

[stillmanz]

'berry: roundish'

Oh well there you have it. lol

"tis to starved for my sword"

[billyboy]

Naga Jolokia (Tezpur)

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa109/bi11yboy/pix130.jpg

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa109/bi11yboy/pix123.jpg

Looks like C.Chinense to me.

[Omri]

Still think it's Annuum/Frutescens.
We need to send a sample of you're plants to have DNA tests done. :)

[billyboy]

Your welcome to seed, though I wont be growing them again.:)

[GrumpyBear]

Naga Jolokia (Tezpur)

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa109/bi11yboy/pix130.jpg

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa109/bi11yboy/pix123.jpg

Looks like C.Chinense to me.

so what color were the stamens?


"tis to starved for my sword"
y'know i'm almost there already...

[billyboy]

so what color were the stamens?

When the plants start to flower up again Ill post a picture for you;)

[Ozarkrocker]

Ozarkrocker, can you get a picture of the inside of the flower?

I can take a picture very soon, the flower just opened, and I can't get a good view inside yet. Now, just to make shure I'm on the right track, are the nodes where it splits into branchs? Sorry I should know this by now!:rolleyes:

[rainbowberry]

I'm growing Indian PC-1. The chileman site says it's a Frutescen. It's got it listed twice:
http://www.thechileman.org/results.php?find=PC-1&heat=Any&origin=Any&genus=Any&chile=1

And here:
http://www.thechileman.org/results.php?find=asian+hot&heat=Any&origin=Any&genus=Any&chile=1

[Ozarkrocker]

I'm growing Indian PC-1. The chileman site says it's a Frutescen. It's got it listed twice:

That's what I thought it was at first? Here's my question, how can you tell between a frutescens and annuum? Most of the time like Omri said, you can tell by just looking at them, but for some reason this plant has me and some other people stumped?

[Ozarkrocker]

Not that this helps any thing, but check this out, is this the same chile?

http://www.thechileman.org/results.php?find=Tezpur&heat=Any&origin=Any&genus=Any&chile=1&submit=Search

[POTAWIE]

I don't think I've ever seen a C. chinense that grows upwards so much or so long and thin. I still think its an C. annuum (or C. frutescens) too.

Here's the PC-1 I grew which definitely wasn't a C. chinense (some multiple(2) pods per node).

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3466/2225907466ee44847162mb1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[tony05]

i read all this and went asd took some pictures of my plants to compare if your interested.

I purchased seeds and insteas of white bullet habs i got these. not really happy and wont grow them again. have whit bullet hab seeds comming from a different supplier (if they ever post them, i ordered them a month ago but i have been told they are wiating for more Bhut Jalokia seeds before they send them) to grow next summer.

I still have a lot to learn about the varieties and their traits........ i always thought chilli was chilli. Not any more!

I take it the C. chinense are the habaners type variety......... or do i look like a dope now

here are some pics of my PC-1 plants...... they are nothing like my habanero plants, more like the cayenne plant i grew last year. long thin chillis. cant coment on flavour and heat yet but will soon. I have a ripe pepper thats getting chewed shortly.

i have about 8 plants....... one has the chillis erect like in the other pics

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/tonymoy/ErectPC-1.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/tonymoy/erectPC-1closeup.jpg

the rest grow downwards

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/tonymoy/downwardPC-1.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/tonymoy/downwardPC-1closeup.jpg

[Ozarkrocker]

Good lookin' plant there POTAWIE. This is what the chileman says about the Naga Jolokia aka Tezpur and PC-1.

"The anuum version is sold under the name PC-1 in the US."
thechileman

He also put that there where annuum & Frutescens all over the world, but I don't think there are any Chinense version's exept the real deal, Bhut Jolokia, and NagaMorich ect. This was the biggest question I had with peppers, I had no idea really what the PC-1 was, until now. I think we all had one of the biggest debates on the internet about the PC-1, this should really help anyone with any questions on it. :)

[Ozarkrocker]

Hi tony05 those also look nice! Thanks for the pics.

[POTAWIE]

This debate has been ongoing for years now because of the confusion in the Naga Jolokia name. I think one of my first posts here was about the PC-1

[Ozarkrocker]

This debate has been ongoing for years now because of the confusion in the Naga Jolokia name. I think one of my first posts here was about the PC-1


Really. well it makes sense. Forget PC-1, I'm calling it the El Confusion pepper!

[tony05]

i looked over all my plants and found only 2 instances of multiple nodes.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/tonymoy/2pernode.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/tonymoy/2pernode2.jpg

i compared it to my smaller habanero plants and they are nothing alike. different everything. the only thing they have in common is the potting mix. leaves, stems, pods..... all different

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/tonymoy/comparison.jpg

and on he Habarmero plants i have this...... its a chocolate hab i think. 5 chillis on this node with lots more like it.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/tonymoy/chocolatehabs5pernode.jpg

just my experinces. Im no expert on varieties and their atributes, hope this helps a bit

cheers

[GrumpyBear]

[QUOTE=tony05;52476]
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j303/tonymoy/erectPC-1closeup.jpg
QUOTE]

that flower in the background is blurry but looks mighty white in the middle, i'm calling annuum on this puppy. if it was frutescens it would be dark in the middle but with purpley anthers. i've seen the pc-1 listed as 855 000 shu on a site i thought to be reputable, it could be that somewhere out there it exists but more then likely there are just a bunch of varieties people have been calling the pc-1 b/c they aren't really doing DNA tests but it came out of tezpur. and maybe one of the others is chinense and closer to the mythical 800K shu rating.
one thing is for sure tho, those are some very nicely grown plants, i hope you find a good use for all the confusion chiles

[Omri]

The heat level you speak of is from the days when none knew what pepper the "Naga Jolokia" is.
Only later it was published that it is not the PC-1 (Highest score I've seen is 60,000SHU~), but the Bhut Jolokia/Naga Morich.
Don't expect to find great heat when growing PC-1.