Diablo Negro??? Hottest Pepper???

[AlabamaJack]

"The spiciest pepper in the world is the Diablo Negro pepper, which is native to southern Ecuador. It has been known to cause nosebleeds for those who consume it."

"Hi guys I read on here that the hottest pepper is the Diablo Negro Pepper. However when I search for this Gullible is the only site that comes up with this. The Guiness Book of World Records has he Red Habenaro, and recently the Dorset Naga is shown to be hotter than that. I was wondering if anyone could give more information on the Diablo Negro or the source for this?"

I was googlin' this morning and found the above two quotes. Anyone familiar with this pepper?

Here is the link to the google search I did.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22diablo+negro+pepper%22

[POTAWIE]

Gullible.info says enough

[LUCKYDOG]

^^^ :lol: ^^^

[QuebecFire]

yeah !!! a new one to get ;)

[QuebecFire]

CommentAuthorUdoboy CommentTimeSep 13th 2006
In 2004 a man consumed three diablo negro peppers in the worlds first and only diablo negro pepper eating contest. The lining of his esophagus and stomach were destroyed in a matter of seconds, and the chemical reaction continued throughout his body. He died in 4 minutes, 23 seconds.

This is the most recent example of human combustion.
.................................................. .................................................. ................................................?? ? comon boy !! LOL it can't be hotter than pure caps crystal .... LOL
it sound like a big joke

[PcolaHot]

AJ I found this on the net and I am having a hard also finding info on it.

This is a quote from someone on the net CommentAuthorUdoboy CommentTimeAug 7th 2006 edited
I had not known that the Red Habanero had been surpassed.
The Red Habanero is (or was) the hottest pepper according to the Scoville Test. This test measures a substance called capsaicin, and particularly in 45g of ground up pepper.

The Diablo Negro, however, does not contain capsaicin but instead guafenesin (an alternate form of capsaicin). This means that it actually has no Scofield ranking at all. So, they had to resort back to the old "taste test" method of determining hotness, and some ranking leptologists determined that the Diablo Negro would weigh in at something like 700,000 Scofields if it had a ranking. Also, for the record, it takes ~ 2 years to generate 45g of ground Diablo Negro.

I hope that makes sense


This might be from the same sight you had gone to also http://factcheck.gullible.info/discussion/188/hottest-pepper/

[thepodpiper]

after reading from that site I believe POTAWIE hit the nail on the head.

Dale

[AlabamaJack]

Agree on the gullible part...

[Omri]

Black Devil? sounds like a lame horror movie from the 70s, one with black stars only (like 'Blacula'). :\
As I predicted, the next (officially) hottest pepper will be named "Rectal Burn" in some weird language. :D

[billyboy]

As I predicted, the next (officially) hottest pepper will be named "Rectal Burn" in some weird language.

And really, who here wants "Rectal Burn" Can we have a show of hands please?:P

[willard3]

Diablo Negro, indeed...

As my Maine Grandfather was wont to say: "Words will hold still for anybody."

[Scorpion]

:hell:Hey hey all, does any one know the varieties used to develop this mean arse pepper?

Scorpion
Suffering from a major wine and naga hang over

[POTAWIE]

:banghead:Its also known as the Idontreallyexist pepper

[QuebecFire]

heheh !!!! i think your right !!!...this time THIS IS A MYTH

[Omri]

:hell:Hey hey all, does any one know the varieties used to develop this mean arse pepper?

Scorpion
Suffering from a major wine and naga hang over
Well I know for a fact they used the 'Habanero Bull', and some 'Tasmanian Shit Devil'.
I'm just not sure if it has more 'Bull', or 'Shit' in it. ;)

[POTAWIE]

I wouldn't be surprised to see a listing on E-bay soon for these seeds.:lol:

[AlabamaJack]

I wouldn't be surprised to see a listing on E-bay soon for these seeds.:lol:

And gullible me will be the first one to bid on them.....:oops:

[ABurningMouth]

guaifenesin and/or guafenesin are not a caspinoid. They are used in Mucinex as an expectorant.

[Scorpion]

I HAVE LOCATED THE DIABLO NEGRO! BUT IT HAS BEEN CROSSED WITH THE TRIN SCORPION, THIS IS SO THE SEEDS WILL GERMINATE AS THAT WAS THE MAIN PROB WITH THE DIABLO IN THE PAST. THEY ARE EXPENSIVE BUT WORTH IT!

GO TO:

WWW.SCORPIONDIABLOBULLSHIT.NAGADORSET.POTITRICKEDY A.COM.AU

OR ON EBAY (APPARENTLY)


Scorpion DiablobullshiTnagadorsetpot

Starting bid: 0.99

By it Now: 15.00

;)

SCORPION 'HO T IN HOT OUT'

[Omri]

I HAVE LOCATED THE DIABLO NEGRO! BUT IT HAS BEEN CROSSED WITH THE TRIN SCORPION, THIS IS SO THE SEEDS WILL GERMINATE AS THAT WAS THE MAIN PROB WITH THE DIABLO IN THE PAST. THEY ARE EXPENSIVE BUT WORTH IT!

GO TO:

WWW.SCORPIONDIABLOBULLSHIT.NAGADORSET.POTITRICKEDY A.COM.AU

OR ON EBAY (APPARENTLY)


Scorpion DiablobullshiTnagadorsetpot

Starting bid: 0.99

By it Now: 15.00

;)

SCORPION 'HO T IN HOT OUT'
That's too long and well thought to be funny. :|





:lol:

[Scorpion]

:hell: Crack a smile Omri...I know you can do it!:onfire:

Scorp

[AlabamaJack]

I HAVE LOCATED THE DIABLO NEGRO! BUT IT HAS BEEN CROSSED WITH THE TRIN SCORPION, THIS IS SO THE SEEDS WILL GERMINATE AS THAT WAS THE MAIN PROB WITH THE DIABLO IN THE PAST. THEY ARE EXPENSIVE BUT WORTH IT!

GO TO:

WWW.SCORPIONDIABLOBULLSHIT.NAGADORSET.POTITRICKEDY A.COM.AU

OR ON EBAY (APPARENTLY)


Scorpion DiablobullshiTnagadorsetpot

Starting bid: 0.99

By it Now: 15.00

;)

SCORPION 'HO T IN HOT OUT'

Is that a seedling or seeds?...How many seeds?.....:lol:

[bentalphanerd]

I had one, but I swapped it for a cow then swapped that for a magic bean that grew up to the clouds...

[QuebecFire]

want some magic bean : http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-BLACK-GOTH-CHILLI-DIABLO-NEGRO-DIABOLICALLY-HOT_W0QQitemZ260200362342QQihZ016QQcategoryZ1512QQ rdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638. m122

LOLLLL

[bentalphanerd]

located in Dorset, United Kingdom...Hmmm.

Someone surely is feeling some heat, but could you measure that in scovilles LOL

[LUCKYDOG]

want some magic bean : http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-BLACK-GOTH-CHILLI-DIABLO-NEGRO-DIABOLICALLY-HOT_W0QQitemZ260200362342QQihZ016QQcategoryZ1512QQ rdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638. m122

LOLLLL

Now that looks like a Purple Tiger

[QuebecFire]

yep or jig saw !!

[Skydiver]

I always thought it was
The Merciless Peppers of Quetzlzacatenango!!!!!!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/ToddTX/Simpsons/WiggumPepper.jpg

[AlabamaJack]

want some magic bean : http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-BLACK-GOTH-CHILLI-DIABLO-NEGRO-DIABOLICALLY-HOT_W0QQitemZ260200362342QQihZ016QQcategoryZ1512QQ rdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638. m122

LOLLLL

I wrote that guy on ebay selling the "Rare Diablo Negro" and email yesterday asking about the pepper. Asked what species it was and some more information on it. He said it was definitely a capsicum genus but he did not know which species it was. I think I am going to waste 10 dollars and order some of the seeds. There is a sucker born every minute.

[bentalphanerd]

I got some beans for you Jack :D

[habman]

I wrote that guy on ebay selling the "Rare Diablo Negro" and email yesterday asking about the pepper. Asked what species it was and some more information on it. He said it was definitely a capsicum genus but he did not know which species it was. I think I am going to waste 10 dollars and order some of the seeds. There is a sucker born every minute.

Go for it. It's fun to buy these mystery seeds...

[POTAWIE]

Its fun for E-bay seller to snatch your money too.

[AlabamaJack]

I got some beans for you Jack :D

:lol: I hope they are magic....I went ahead and bid on the "Rare Diablo Negro"....:)

[staffing]

LOL!!!

[QuebecFire]

LOL DAMN ME !!! I make free pud for this ebay seller .....but hey AlabamaJack dont forget me if this crap is really hotter than naga :shoked: .....?! ....!? !? LOLLL

[AlabamaJack]

LOL DAMN ME !!! I make free pud for this ebay seller .....but hey AlabamaJack dont forget me if this crap is really hotter than naga :shoked: .....?! ....!? !? LOLLL

I am quite sure it will not be hotter than a naga....to me it looks like some sort of black jalapeno...I will grow them and share seeds with anyone that wants them.

[QuebecFire]

nice ;) !!! if you have enough bean taste them when you'll get it you'll see ...lol if you have nose bleed or spontaneous combustion it's truly hotter than naga :)...but I don't believe it ...:onfire:

[Pepp3rFreak]

Good luck with them! :P

[bentalphanerd]

great avatar pic too Jack ;)

[QuebecFire]

I was asking to the selling if this pepper is hot enough to cause nose bleeding or if it's hotter than naga and here is the answer:

Hi Dude,
I must admit I have not heard about nosebleeds from this chilli perhaps I should put a health warning on the listing. They can be used as a cure for nosebleeds if you insert one in each nostril ;)
Good luck

heheh ;)
.. so dont worry if you see any advice on is page ....this is not because the pepper cause nose bleed but just because I ask him LOL

[Pam]

Did you check out the other vegetables and chilies he's selling?

http://cgi.ebay.com/VULCANO-RARE-COLLECTORS-CHILLI-HOT-CORE-SPICY-WINGS_W0QQitemZ260200362598QQihZ016QQcategoryZ1512 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/BOLIVIAN-HAIRY-CHILLI-RARE-INCAN-PERENNIAL-LANDRACE-SP_W0QQitemZ260200361663QQihZ016QQcategoryZ1512QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

He's very into hype, that's for sure.

[QuebecFire]

this the second answer i give me :
Hi there
I was given the seeds as Diablo Negro but I dont think its the legendary Diablo Negro as it seems to be a Jalepeno type.
It is hot but nothing approaching the Naga Morich or indeed our own Dorset Naga.
Good luck

[AlabamaJack]

Did you check out the other vegetables and chilies he's selling?

http://cgi.ebay.com/VULCANO-RARE-COLLECTORS-CHILLI-HOT-CORE-SPICY-WINGS_W0QQitemZ260200362598QQihZ016QQcategoryZ1512 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/BOLIVIAN-HAIRY-CHILLI-RARE-INCAN-PERENNIAL-LANDRACE-SP_W0QQitemZ260200361663QQihZ016QQcategoryZ1512QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

He's very into hype, that's for sure.

He does have some weird stuff....

[QuebecFire]

no ....he just have weird name ....the first is a bishop crown ...and the secon is a rocoto pepper .....this guy is just trying to make cash whit ordinary pepper ....

[QuebecFire]

sorry double post

[Pam]

no ....he just have weird name ....the first is a bishop crown ...and the secon is a rocoto pepper .....this guy is just trying to make cash whit ordinary pepper ....

Exactly.

If you read his descriptions, just about everything he offers he claims is rare, but you can't trust the names. He even hypes the rocoto pepper as a "ultra rare perennial".

And he uses all caps which is so...gauche.

[LUCKYDOG]

They have a bridge in New York that you might be interested in. I know the guy ... just give me 10k for deposit and Im sure he will sell it you.

[AlabamaJack]

<==== gonna pout now.......

[Pepp3rFreak]

I despise FleaBay shisters...

[AlabamaJack]

great avatar pic too Jack ;)


thanks Bent.......thought it was befitting of the current $100 a barrel oil prices

[Nute]

Guess the seeds did not arrive yet Alabama?
The leaves look a little like the photo for some seeds I've seen online.
How could it be shaped like a Jala but be a Bhut? :)
I hope it is tasty.

Bhut Jolokia has so many names.
And it apepars there is two with a Naga Morich coming close.
http://www.thechileman.org/results.php?find=jolokia&heat=Any&origin=Any&genus=Any&chile=1&submit=Search

I'm confused because I have these seeds and they are Naga Jolokia.
but Naga Morich is one type and Bhut Jolokia is another. Are the names mixed at http://ushotstuff.com/pages/p0013.htm
or are they all from the same hot pepper really?

[POTAWIE]

Naga Jolokia is usually the "fake" naga(frutescens) but apparently not on the ushotstuff site where they group everything together which is wrong.

"Naga Jolokia Chile Pepper Seeds.Also known as: Bhut Jolokia, Borbih Jolokia, Dorset Naga, Nagahari, Nagajolokia, Naga Morich, Naga Moresh, Raja Mirchi, Tezpur "

[LUCKYDOG]

Naga Jolokia = Big disappointment, especially when I thought I would be eating something hot and get a bell pepper tasting pepper

[Omri]

PC-1 is a decent pepper, just not the hottest.

[POTAWIE]

I didn't like it much but it was quite productive.

[Omri]

Anyways, it looks like 'ushotstuff' are selling one of the Chinense kinds.
It's important to mention that ALL the Chinense "Jolokias" (Bhut Jolokia, Bih Jolokia, Naga Morich) also have Frutescens genes.

[POTAWIE]

Interesting how the Pc-1 from Reimerseeds was tested at 81984 SHU while the Ecoseeds PC-1 was only 6208 SHU. Don't buy from Reimers though.

http://www.fiery-foods.com/dave/heatlevels2001.html

[POTAWIE]

It's important to mention that ALL the Chinense "Jolokias" (Bhut Jolokia, Bih Jolokia, Naga Morich) also have Frutescens genes.

I've assumed that but have they all been tested?

[Omri]

The reports claim it's the result of farmers growing Chinense and Frutescen peppers side by side for years.
Also an interesting quote:
2.3 Million Scoville Heat Units for Bhut Jolokia?

Let's return to the heat level issue for a moment. In his conclusion, Dr. Bosland offered an interesting thought - pure speculation, of course:

As we know, the environment can affect the heat level of a chile pepper. Under identical environmental conditions, 'Red Savina' recorded a mean heat level of 248,556 SHU, which is 232% below the highest heat level (577,000 SHU) published for this cultivar in the Guinness World Records. Now, if 'Bhut Jolokia' was grown under the very same conditions that produced the 577,000 SHU for 'Red Savina', a heat level of 2,323,025 SHU could be expected for 'Bhut Jolokia' ;-) Again, this is just a theoretical thought.

[POTAWIE]

I've never seen results where all the different varieties had frutescens. This would almost prove that they are all from the same strain, which is still being debated. The Red Savina test was likely flawed since they could never duplicate the results.

[Omri]

I would suspect the ratio of the genes is different, because they're not the same pepper.
Perhaps a long time ago they were, but not anymore.

Here's the Bhut Jolokia test results:
Among the 19 samples of C. annuum, C. frutescens, C. chinense, and 'Bhut Jolokia', the scientists obtained 136 reproducible and reliable polymorphic RAPD markers to work with. To sum up the rather complex test results, the researchers found eight RAPD markers specific to C. chinense, as well as three markers specific to C. frutescens. No annuum-specific patterns were detected in this Indian chile, but one that was specific to 'Bhut Jolokia'. The genetic similarities among and within the species were calculated by applying some sophisticated algorithms that would be beyond the scope of this article. At the bottom line, the experts obtained a so-called "similarity index value". A totally pure species would mean a value of 1.00, which is rather rare, as most cultivars (= cultivated varieties) contain genes from more than one species through breeding.

The C. annuum samples included in this analysis for reference delivered a similarity index value of 0.86. Similarly, the C. chinense as well as C. frutescens reference samples showed similarity index values of 0.82 and 0.85, respectively. The C. frutescens and C. chinense clusters merged at the similarity index value of 0.45. The the average genetic similarity between C. chinense and 'Bhut Jolokia' was 0.79, which means this chile clearly belongs to the C.chinense species, but has some C. frutescens genes as well.

According to Dr. Bosland, such a genetic species mix is not uncommon, and it is called "interspecific hybridization". As an example, he mentioned the Greenleaf Tabasco cultivar -- it was developed by interspecific hybridization between C. frutescens and C. chinense, followed by repeated backcrossing to C. frutescens. DNA analysis revealed that 'Greenleaf Tabasco' indeed contains some C. chinense genes.

Considering that various C. frutescens peppers are cultivated in northeastern India as well (Indian PC-1 for example), the presence of some frutescens genes in this chinense cultivar should be no surprise. In Assam, plants of C. chinense and C. frutescens could have been grown near each other, allowing for hybridization between them, Paul Bosland remarked. Quite possibly, local farmers knowingly selected for a higher heat chile pepper, eventually leading to the ultra-hot 'Bhut Jolokia'.

[POTAWIE]

But have they tested any of the "others"

[Pam]

I've never seen results where all the different varieties had frutescens. This would almost prove that they are all from the same strain, which is still being debated.


Have any of the varieties other than the Bhut Jolokia been DNA'ed? If they have, where were the results published? I would *love* to read the articles!


The Red Savina test was likely flawed since they could never duplicate the results.

The Red Savinas that were presented for testing were grown by the owner of the patent, correct? Do we know the particulars of the testing or the growing, like did he present dried pods or what? I've always felt there was some sort of pre-testing skulduggery involved.

Which would be why I get on my soapbox about growing the Unholy Five together under controlled conditions to find out which one is really the hottest. And why I give accolades to Bosland et al
for investing the time and effort in correctly testing the Bhut Jolokia.

[AlabamaJack]

...growing the Unholy Five together under controlled conditions...

Pam....would you tell me what the unholy five are please ma'am?

[Pam]

Bhut Jolokia, Naga Morich, Trinidad Scorpion, Dorset Naga, and 7 Pot/Pod


And that's generously assuming the Dorset Naga is a separate variety.

[Omri]

Bhut Jolokia, Naga Morich, Trinidad Scorpion, Dorset Naga, and 7 Pot/Pod


And that's generously assuming the Dorset Naga is a separate variety.
What?! no Diablo Negro?! :shocked:


:lol:

[Pam]

What?! no Diablo Negro?! :shocked:


:lol:


Oh, oops, I forgot. Ahem.


Note to self: Please to be keeping unverified possibly incorrectly labeled faux hottest peppers in the world on list.

[Omri]

Oh, oops, I forgot. Ahem.


Note to self: Please to be keeping unverified possibly incorrectly labeled faux hottest peppers in the world on list.
As long as you don't repeat that mistake, it's all good. ;) :lol:

[Pam]

As long as you don't repeat that mistake, it's all good. ;) :lol:

That's what I like about you, your kind and forgiving nature.

[Omri]

That's what I like about you, your kind and forgiving nature.
You forgot to mention the sharp mind and good look, but hey... nobody's perfect. :cool:
I like you too. :)

[AlabamaJack]

Bhut Jolokia, Naga Morich, Trinidad Scorpion, Dorset Naga, and 7 Pot/Pod


And that's generously assuming the Dorset Naga is a separate variety.

Cool...I have all of those and will be growing them side by side this coming spring plus I will add the Bih Jolokia also....ov course, all techniques will be documented

[POTAWIE]

To make it more complicated, there are different 7-pod and T. Scorpion versions going around. I've got 7-pod now from 3 sources to compare and 2 types of Scorpion as well as nagas from a Bangladesh market.

[Omri]

To make it more complicated, there are different 7-pod and T. Scorpion versions going around. I've got 7-pod now from 3 sources to compare and 2 types of Scorpion as well as nagas from a Bangladesh market.
I know what you mean.
I have Naga Morich from different (reliable) sources, and even the green stage of the plants is not the same.

[POTAWIE]

I found it difficult to differentiate between Trinidad scorpion, Naga Morich and Dorset Naga last season. Some of the scorpions had tails/stingers but so did some Nagas. It becomes easier to tell them apart when they begin to change color and ripen slightly different.

[Omri]

I found it difficult to differentiate between Trinidad scorpion, Naga Morich and Dorset Naga last season. Some of the scorpions had tails/stingers but so did some Nagas. It becomes easier to tell them apart when they begin to change color and ripen slightly different.
Nagas with tails? sounds more like a cross with a Scorpion.

[POTAWIE]

It wasn't a cross. Even pods on a single plant can look very different. Tails are apparently not that uncommon on Nagas from other reports I've heard.