pass the parcel seed trading

[LUCKYDOG]

Well that would leave a nice parcel on the end for me! This go round I was near the begining of the order..... but seeing how slow this thing goes we need to be very diligent about mailing the parcell back out in 1-2 days. I imagine the list will be quite extensive next time.

I wouldnt have seeds till end of Aug - Sept. If the weather stays nice.

[cheezydemon]

I guess we Ought to "RE-UP" for the second go around.

One problem we run into may be seed viability. I am looking on to next year at this point.

From that standpoint, I don't care if noobs are let in line. If they need them now, fine. I don't need it at this point, but nor do I want to give up my place for the next one.

I am up for the 2nd go and I should be right after Mcmanmatty. No line jumping!;)

[AlabamaJack]

I am about ready to give up hope on the first round...no word from anyone where the package is...does anyone have dethwinds contact information?...wonder if he is OK?....

[Pam]

Well, I just sent Dethwind an email. Here's hoping he's ok.

[Rob]

A.J., I'm further south than you are and wouldn't mind starting it. I should have plenty of seeds by then as well.

[AlabamaJack]

no problem with that Rob...

who is going to be the "moderator" for this one? Someone up north that will be later in the list?

[LUCKYDOG]

How will the list change in order? I can represent the Northeast --

[AlabamaJack]

as far as the order goes, I haven't a clue...doesn't really matter to me I suppose...I am hoping to keep my strains pure by farming out to friends that do not have gardens...I just hate to let my teenagers leave home...

If I am able to do that with my super hots...I will have plenty of seeds for 2009....

[PcolaHot]

Every thing ya'll been sounds ok to me. Just post when someone hears about the parcell.

[cheezydemon]

It's all for nothing if Dethwind never comes back.

[Pam]

who is going to be the "moderator" for this one?

I think you just volunteered!



My suggestion, oh glorious leader, would be to repost the information in July and see who signs up for the round robin. If we have lots and lots of people interested, we can talk about splitting it into two groups then.

By July people will have a better idea of what varieties of peppers they'll have available.


Do we want to have any rules or caveats about seed purity?

[Sorellina]

Ciao a tutti-

..wait for it..ahem..are tomato seeds allowed or is this a pepper only thingie? *sheepishly avoids getting hit with composted nagas* :mouthonfire:

[AlabamaJack]

I think you just volunteered!

My suggestion, oh glorious leader, would be to repost the information in July and see who signs up for the round robin. If we have lots and lots of people interested, we can talk about splitting it into two groups then.

By July people will have a better idea of what varieties of peppers they'll have available.

Do we want to have any rules or caveats about seed purity?

Personally, I would like pure strains if possible...that's all I plan on putting in, unless it is a hybrid someone is proud of and then if it is labelled properly, no problemo..JMO..

I will tell you what Ms. Pam, I will be the moderator if you will be cochair and back me up incase of the unforseen happening (like another heart attack), of course if that happens before I retire, I will get another 6 weeks off for free...July sounds good to me....

Ciao a tutti-

..wait for it..ahem..are tomato seeds allowed or is this a pepper only thingie? *sheepishly avoids getting hit with composted nagas* :mouthonfire:

That, my dear Sorellina is up the the majority, makes no difference to me but I know all mine will be hybrids since I have so many so close together and am not going to take steps to avoid interspecies mating...

It's all for nothing if Dethwind never comes back.

Cheezy, we still have each other.. :lol: and can start anew...


You know, I would not mind including a private contact number...not to be posted on the board, but to each member that was on the trade list...would this not insure the legitimacy of the trade?

[DrHavanger]

Here is a suggestion, something a bit different. Have a mod start a new sticky thread where the only posts that are allowed are what that person has. They can include: name, how many, and any limitations. That way people who regulary trade seeds, or who have seeds avaliable, can have 1 post and can edit it when their supply changes. Something else, they can put an expiration date on their post where a mod would delete the post after the specified date.

For example

Title:
DrHavanger's Seed Bank

Message:
50 7pot
250 Naga
111 Jalapeno
276 corno di toro
67 kung pao
675 Hungarian Hot Wax

Please only a max of 5 seeds of each pepper, only ships to Australia.

**** Expires 05/16/2008 ****

[Pam]

Personally, I would like pure strains if possible...that's all I plan on putting in, unless it is a hybrid someone is proud of and then if it is labelled properly, no problemo..JMO..

But that's what I mean, do we set any standards for seed saving to reduce the chance of cross breeds. Some people go to elaborate lengths to keep their seeds pure, but other people, eh... not so much. Maybe we should set some guidelines.


I will tell you what Ms. Pam, I will be the moderator if you will be cochair and back me up incase of the unforseen happening (like another heart attack), of course if that happens before I retire, I will get another 6 weeks off for free...July sounds good to me....

You can be the good cop, I'll be the bad cop!



That, my dear Sorellina is up the the majority, makes no difference to me but I know all mine will be hybrids since I have so many so close together and am not going to take steps to avoid interspecies mating...


Tomatoes are actually easier to keep pure, if I'm not mistaken.


You know, I would not mind including a private contact number...not to be posted on the board, but to each member that was on the trade list...would this not insure the legitimacy of the trade?

I don't know how it would insure anything, but I would be very cautious about handing out phone numbers. People can get really weird sometimes.

[cheezydemon]

The private # is a great idea AJ. If we are trusting each other with a bunch of seeds, what is a #? They can be changed if some real moron gets it. Plus we can report harassment on here and most people wouldn't want to be ostracised here.

As for pure, even seeds from websites are not always pure.

IMHO all types of peppers are some sort of hybrid, but I see the concern.

Maybe a more specific label would be good. "Isolated Dorset Naga" Or "Hail Mary, I hope it's still a naga" etc.

I see this box as more of a filling in factor for my crop. Not for my Main stay.

I may be far less concerned with pure strains than others, so feel free to disagree.

[AlabamaJack]

I will take a shot at writing up some guidelines/rules based on this threads inputs and get them posted for comments. As far as the phone number goes...I think that I will suggest it as an option that is available and not a requirement...

[rainbowberry]

Just as a little suggestion and not meaning to sound rude but clear writing on the packets of seeds helps. I had seeds from a Pass the Parcel elsewhere that said "Red Jaij" I assumed it was red Thai :confused: Honestly the only word I could see it might be though was "Jaij" and that's with having excellent eyesight for reading, just not with messy writing. Maybe the person wasn't sure what it was so Cheezy D's idea is good. I mean Red Jaij I ask you? I even put the stupid name into the chileman database :oops:

[Sorellina]

Ciao a tutti-

Excellent discussion!

You're absolutely right, Pam, tomatoes are much easier to prevent crossing. I'll tell you what I do. Toronto's summers are notoriously humid, which affects how pollen granules travel. They end up getting stuck together and the flower abcisses and falls off. Because of this, it's very difficult to bag blossoms here, something I did early on because I'm so anal about things like that. I got really frustrated, so I talked to several long-time gardeners to work out a solution. If you take the very first ripe fruits from your tomato plants, the pollinating insects have not arrived in huge numbers yet, and crossing is very low, between 0-5%. That's what I do now.

How do all of you collect your pepper seeds and what, if anything, do you do to prevent crossing? I've been told that peppers cross exceedingly easily.

[AlabamaJack]

labeling is going to be one of the requirements...labels printed...most people that have a computer have a printer also...or just use a typewriter if you don't have a printer...

[rainbowberry]

If printing isn't able for everyone I think just a little care over hand writing though AJ, if you know your hand writing is poor than print in capitals (not joined up ones), just make it legible.

[Pam]

You're absolutely right, Pam, tomatoes are much easier to prevent crossing. I'll tell you what I do. Toronto's summers are notoriously humid, which affects how pollen granules travel. They end up getting stuck together and the flower abcisses and falls off. Because of this, it's very difficult to bag blossoms here, something I did early on because I'm so anal about things like that. I got really frustrated, so I talked to several long-time gardeners to work out a solution. If you take the very first ripe fruits from your tomato plants, the pollinating insects have not arrived in huge numbers yet, and crossing is very low, between 0-5%. That's what I do now.

That's good to know. We've got heat and humidity all summer, so I'll try and save seeds early if I'm going to save them.


How do all of you collect your pepper seeds and what, if anything, do you do to prevent crossing? I've been told that peppers cross exceedingly easily.

I bag the blossoms. I used to bag the whole plant, but that gets annoying after awhile and messy after a few thunderstorms.

[cheezydemon]

Agreed, but most of us probably do not practice strict measures to prevent crossing.

Am I right that a F1 hybrid will produce fruit of an unknown, but fairly predictable type, but that the seeds from it will inherently be unstable?

I guess I was just wondering if a 1/2 scorpion, 1/2 hab would be a bad thing other than not being an "accepted" variety.

[Pam]

If printing isn't able for everyone I think just a little care over hand writing though AJ, if you know your hand writing is poor than print in capitals (not joined up ones), just make it legible.

The problem that I saw on when I had the box was trying to write on the plastic of small bags. it was a little shaky to begin with, and by the time everyone had a chance to fondle the packets, some of the ink had rubbed off. So, I think printing clearly on a paper label might be an option if someone doesn't have easy access to a printer.

[LUCKYDOG]

I second the idea mentioned about a minimum post count of say 100. Im with Cheezy about hybrids Im growing for fun really.... unless we partition the pure breds from the commoners or half breeds.

[Pam]

Ok, well, I am more interested in pure seed. Everybody has the occasional accident, but it you're not going to make any effort to produce pure seed you should label the packages accordingly.

Actually, maybe we should consider seperate round robins for folks going to the extra trouble to isolate for pure seeds, and those who aren't.

[LUCKYDOG]

I would agree to that -- but wouldnt everyone want to have a shot at the pure seed? You would need and underground society, a Skull and Bones if you will, for the "pure" growers. Or keep the pure seeds to yourself and hash out the deals with individuals with the same.
I am not at the level where pure seed is going to make me or break me... I dont have the where with all or the experience YETto do so

[Pam]

Well, most of what we're doing in on the honor system. And I do hope anyone not making any effort to isolate for pure seed out to be honest enough to label their seeds accordingly.

[cheezydemon]

I would be seriously surprised if more than 2-3% of the people growing on this site are isolating or "double bagging" for pure strains. I have little enough growing space without a "solitary" cell ....or multiple isolation chambers.

99% of us wouldn't know the difference between a pure strain and a slightly different hybrid (except officer Omri, of course).

How critical is this??? Is anyone using this as their primary source of seeds??? (of course I am but I don't care too much;))

*watch now! as the Pam, in it's natural habitat, quotes someone from above cheezydemon! Effectively trying to cut him out of the conversation...... absolutely fascinating! An endearing defense mechanism of this strange creature. Endlessly entertaining!*

Quote-Robert Forester of the National Geographic Society in his study of north american primates.

[thepodpiper]

This seems to be getting a little out of hand don't you think? If I want pure seed I will order from the professionals. Or do trades one on one under the premise that the trade is for pure seed. This is supposed to be a fun thing.... I say keep it simple. :lol: JMO

Dale

[Pam]

Yeah, but it's supposed to be fun for all of us; and it's not much fun for me if I go to the trouble of keeping my seed pure and am only offered cross bred seeds that I can't use in return.

I stopped going to plant swaps where everybody wanted my healthy and unique herbs and flowers and offered ivy and autumn blooming clematis that had been yanked out of the ground in return, too. Why call it a swap under those conditions?

Since I'm starting to get the same vibe here, I'm thinking it's probably best that I bow out.

[thepodpiper]

[quote=Pam;70067]Yeah, but it's supposed to be fun for all of us; and it's not much fun for me if I go to the trouble of keeping my seed pure and am only offered cross bred seeds that I can't use in return.

Another thing to think about is how many of the plants that are being isolated by us are actually a pure strain of the particular variety anyway.
Don't get me wrong, I like to grow the real thing also but like I said that type of thing needs to be done on a individual basis through trades. I am also opting out of this I can get alot more done through the trading process and at a much faster pace.

Dale

[Pam]

Another thing to think about is how many of the plants that are being isolated by us are actually a pure strain of the particular variety anyway.

And your point?


Don't get me wrong, I like to grow the real thing also but like I said that type of thing needs to be done on a individual basis through trades.

No, it does not have to be done that way. I was rather excited about the Round Robin, I thought it would be fun. Just because it doesn't suit you to obtain pure seed that way doesn't mean it can't be done.

[cmpman1974]

Has the parcel ever been located? I'm going to remain silent on the other issues. I too will bow out of this process too. :) I enjoy trading with others for seeds and do it for fun. Fortunately, I'm not a commercial entity and truly could never eat all the peppers I grow in any given season. I like keeping gardening enjoyable and in my opinion, I already put a massive amount of work into amending my beds, starting seedlings, taking care of them throughout the season, extracting seeds, drying, trading, etc. Anymore and I'll snap! lol.

Chris


Chris

[thepodpiper]

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[AlabamaJack]

Hold it a second ya'll...why not let me finish my "rules for pass the parcel" and if there are points on it that the majority agree on but you don't, the option is simple, don't join it. I will pass the rules to the cochair for first review then will post it here for all to view, and amend as necessary with the majority agreement...

I think the "pure strain" is getting more attention than it deserves. Granted, we all want "pure strain" but even peppers from reputable (read "Not Reimers") sources don't always turn out like we would like due to poor germination or poor plants, etc...

We all know who frequents the site on a "daily" basis and know a lot about each other from PMs, regular email, and people we have traded with already too...

Please, lets not get sidetracked and please don't opt out until we get things set for the parcel....

OK?

[POTAWIE]

Am I right that a F1 hybrid will produce fruit of an unknown, but fairly predictable type, but that the seeds from it will inherently be unstable?

The F1 will show traits of the mother and father and the F2 will start showing recessive gene and may look more like its great great grandma.

[AlabamaJack]

so thats why I got a hairy chest.... :lol:

[POTAWIE]

so thats why I got a hairy chest.... :lol:

How many generations have you been inbred to get your grandmas hairy chest?:lol:

[AlabamaJack]

don't know exactly but I am kin to about 75% of George County Mississippi

[AlabamaJack]

Double post....I just started a new thread to address the USA 2008-2009 Seed Trade Parcel rules recommendations and process....check it out..

[Pam]

Please, lets not get sidetracked and please don't opt out until we get things set for the parcel....

OK?

No.

I'm out.

[cmpman1974]

Why is this thread getting so volatile? This definitely took an unexpected twist! Please don't interpret my action as anything personal because it wasn't meant that way at all. I am just saying I've got plenty to grow right now and I wasn't sure if the parcel would recirculate for a 2nd trip around. I wanted to give others a shot.

Chris

[Pam]

I can't tell you why it was so important for the men here to disparage and belittle my preferences, only that they sucked the joy out of something that I was looking forward to with a lot of anticipatory excitement.

[DrHavanger]

I can't tell you why it was so important for the men here to disparage and belittle my preferences, only that they sucked the joy out of something that I was looking forward to with a lot of anticipatory excitement.

I don't understand how you would expect the seeds would be pure when you can litteraly see that almost everyone here isn't isolating their plants. :snooty:

[Pam]

I don't understand how you would expect the seeds would be pure when you can litteraly see that almost everyone here isn't isolating their plants. :snooty:



Way not the point, and please don't put words in my mouth.

[cheezydemon]

Even someone who says that thier pure naga seeds are genuine, may have had a stray grain of pollen, or a slight hybrid to begin with.


I AM OK WITH THAT. Anyone who isn't, well we can hopefully still part as friends.

[pepperfever]

Is the trading still ongoing? I'd like to get in line if it is. Have traded many times on the gardenweb site and find the majority of people are great to deal with and prompt in shipping. I'm going to wrap all the peppers for seeds in tulle but we all know peppers are quite fertile, will try to keep them under control if possible.. Trading is a great way to increase your seed stock and share your extras with others.

[DrHavanger]

Ok, well, I am more interested in pure seed. Everybody has the occasional accident, but it you're not going to make any effort to produce pure seed you should label the packages accordingly.

Actually, maybe we should consider seperate round robins for folks going to the extra trouble to isolate for pure seeds, and those who aren't.

Yeah, but it's supposed to be fun for all of us; and it's not much fun for me if I go to the trouble of keeping my seed pure and am only offered cross bred seeds that I can't use in return.

I stopped going to plant swaps where everybody wanted my healthy and unique herbs and flowers and offered ivy and autumn blooming clematis that had been yanked out of the ground in return, too. Why call it a swap under those conditions?

Since I'm starting to get the same vibe here, I'm thinking it's probably best that I bow out.

No.

I'm out.

Way not the point, and please don't put words in my mouth.


:whistle: :violin:

[Pam]

:whistle: :violin:



And your point?

[AlabamaJack]

will ya'll quit pickin at one another...please...its giving me indigestion...

[Pam]

will ya'll quit pickin at one another...please...its giving me indigestion...


So, you think it wise to continue being belittling and denigrating.

[AlabamaJack]

no ma'am I don't, I just try and not ever say anything negative against anyone and I wish others would do the same...when I read the posts with negative remarks in them it makes me sad...there is no sense in it at all and no one is going to win an argument on a forum...

as I recall all this started about strain purity...and now I wish I had not said a word about it...I totally understand your point about the people at the swap meets wanting your healthy plants for some trash plants but I hope here, we (all of us) try and keep our varieties as pure as we can so we can share with others the best seeds we can develop...

you all know how many varieties I am growing this year...and they are all going to be in containers within 50 yards of each other...that is for me to eat and use...the ones I am really going to be careful with are my superhots and I am going to do all in my control to keep them away from cross breeding...thats all anyone can do whether it is bagging the plant, limbs, flowers, moving them away from other plants, etc...

the comments about most of us not watching the cross breeding may be true, but I surely hope that if I trade with someone they would tell me they were open pollinated if they were...

I hate controversy....period....

[DrHavanger]

No controversy here, I :heart: everybody. Lets all have a drink :cheers: :beer:

[gardenkiller]

I can understand both sides of this thing and think we can all meet in the middle. A simple addition to labels would solve it all. If the seeds you put in are pure for sure (bagged or bought that way) put in on the label. If you just walked out and picked from a plant that didnt' have protection, label it that way. I too think it should be fun and lighthearted, but I very much understand Pam's point of view. Just as all of us enjoy different kinds of peppers and different levels of heat, our gardens are the same way.....all different and the way we want them. I personally don't care if I get some goofy stuff because I have plenty of room to grow and do it mostly for fun anway. BUT. If I were limited on space, or perhaps budget, I wouldn't want waste space in the garden growing something that wasn't a guarantee. Can't we all find a middle ground here and make this work.