Naga/Bih/Bhut Jolokia compared

[darlochileman]

For those of you that don't subscribe to the feiry foods super site, this was posted today:

http://www.fiery-foods.com/dave/jolokia_compared.asp

It was nice to see thechilemans Naga Morich seeds got a special mention ;)

[AlabamaJack]

Excellent article.

[Pam]

Well, darn, we still don't know if one is hotter than the other.

[AKButch]

Very good article. Great pictures of some nice looking peppers. I'm hoping I can grow some peppers like that this coming year!

[cmpman1974]

I'm not sure if the article provided anything new or noteworthy, but the pictures were pretty nonetheless. :) I am glad to see Naga Morich got mention. Where was Dorset Naga?

Chris

[Omri]

I enjoyed the article, but was even more interested in the findings of 'peperonciniamoci.it'.
Those 7Pots/Pods look like a mean pepper, and I think I'll enjoy growing them.
I also liked the fact that 'thechileman.org' was their source of Naga Morich. ;)

[Pam]

What did the peperonciniamoci.it page say? I found it, but neither Google nor I could translate it.

[stillmanz]

I've tasted dried bhut and fresh naga, they both hot enough lol
It also seems very dependent on conditions and good pollination...for example I can garentee pods grown in a 45 deg c indian summer are gonna be hotter than one grown in a Brisbane 20 deg c winter. Indoor hydroponic growerswould havean advantage being able to mimick these optimum conditions.

[Omri]

Naga Morich is the smart way to go.
More than one tester said that it's the most productive, and some have said it's the hottest.
Some have also said it's really large most of the time.

So even if it's not the hottest, it's still pretty damn close and very productive.

[Pam]

I've tasted dried bhut and fresh naga, they both hot enough lol

Well sure, but I would still like to see the Bhut, the Naga, and the Trinidad Scorpion grown together under controlled conditions and tested. It would greatly satisfy my inner Curious George to know once and for all which is really the hottest.

It also seems very dependent on conditions and good pollination...for example I can garentee pods grown in a 45 deg c indian summer are gonna be hotter than one grown in a Brisbane 20 deg c winter. Indoor hydroponic growerswould havean advantage being able to mimick these optimum conditions.


Again with the sure, which is why growing them together under controlled conditions is necessary to get a definitive answer.

[POTAWIE]

I wonder why NMSU didn't test for SHU?;) I know its expensive, but I'd chip in a few bucks.

[darlochileman]

I wonder why NMSU didn't test for SHU?;) I know its expensive, but I'd chip in a few bucks.

Its called politics! If they said one was hotter than the other all hell would break loose between the NMSU (the Bhut Jolokia camp) and Frontal Agritech (the Bih Jolokia camp), both of which have spent a lot of money marketing these peppers.

In addition the heat is not uniform across the variety - it varies from pod to pod and is dependent on many environmental factors.

All 3 peppers are in similar ball park SHU ranges. 7 pod & Trinidad Scorpion are just as hot in my experience. At these SHU levels is almost impossible to say which is hottest by simply tasting them. They all hurt like hell!! Accurate calibrations and testing using HPLC is also very expensive.

It would be more fun to cross these varieties to develop a new 'hot pepper' don't you think ;)

[Omri]

For a while I've been thinking of a "White Naga" pepper, with even more heat.
I would call it "Omri Naga". :lol:

[darlochileman]

How about 'Ghost Pepper' - that sounds quite menacing!!

PS Bhut Jolokia is sometimes called the ghost pepper in India

[Omri]

The word 'Bhut' is 'Dust Devil', meaning ghost. =]
'Omri Naga' still sounds better. :P

[POTAWIE]

I was thinking of crossing a seven pod/pot and calling it "seven potawie":lol:

[Sickmont]

I was thinking of crossing a seven pod/pot and calling it "seven potawie":lol:

Hmmmm. So it would burn ya up, get ya high, and make ya hungry for another one....what a vicious cycle.....all you'd have to do to take over the world is get everyone else addicted and be the only source for these....

[Pam]

I was thinking of crossing a seven pod/pot and calling it "seven potawie":lol:

So, what? It'd make you cry and take your picture?

[POTAWIE]

Like Homer's tomacco plant.:lol:

What I meant was Seven pod/pot crossed with something, not seven pod crossed with pot but wouldn't that be awesome.

[QuebecFire]

.....oh !!! nice idea seven pod cross with pot ....can call it seven budz :D

[stillmanz]

If I was so inclined I'd cross a naga with a fatalii... super hot x super hot with super flavour.

[stillmanz]

ps I'll leave it up to Potawie you can call it Naga Potalii as long as I get some seeds.

Mick

[AlabamaJack]

Well sure, but I would still like to see the Bhut, the Naga, and the Trinidad Scorpion grown together under controlled conditions and tested.

If they were grown together under controlled environment, would that be fair to each plant? Doesn't each one thrive in a different environment? I already answered this. Seems each thrives in a humid, wet environment with different temperature variations. T.S is almost constant 24C/76F 26C/79F year round, while the Bhut and Naga have a huge temperature range (from ~ 15-50C).

This coming spring, I am planning on crossing Bhut with Trinidad, Naga with Trinidad, Bhut with Naga. Each will be polinated both ways so I will have 6 F1 hybrids. Just wondering how this north Texas climate will effect the plants.

[QuebecFire]

and where is Dorset naga in this ??I did'nt read anything in this about it ??

[Omri]

If they were grown together under controlled environment, would that be fair to each plant? Doesn't each one thrive in a different environment? I already answered this. Seems each thrives in a humid, wet environment with different temperature variations. T.S is almost constant 24C/76F 26C/79F year round, while the Bhut and Naga have a huge temperature range (from ~ 15-50C).

This coming spring, I am planning on crossing Bhut with Trinidad, Naga with Trinidad, Bhut with Naga. Each will be polinated both ways so I will have 6 F1 hybrids. Just wondering how this north Texas climate will effect the plants.
I'll be working on some crosses myself.
Thinking of Scorpion - Naga, 7-Pot - Naga, and Giant White - Naga.

[AlabamaJack]

and where is Dorset naga in this ??I did'nt read anything in this about it ??


I have tried to get the Dorset Naga seeds. Can't get them into the states without going through the USDA (which I have done and actually have import permits in hand). I have a letter to the UK Dorset Naga growers/producers sitting on my desk with a blank check in it ready for mailing but they have not returned my emails of inquiry about how much to make the check out for. Kinda aggrevating since I have gone thru all the trouble of getting my import license. I have seen that the naga morich and dorset naga are essentially the same pepper. I am sure I will eventually get the dorset seeds but may not be in time for the 2008 growing season.

as far as the climate for the dorset naga goes, they are grown in poly tunnels with controlled environment.

[POTAWIE]

Aj, send me a PM.
I found the Dorset Naga, Naga Morich and the Trinidad scorpion all grew very similar with slight differences in pod shapes but they seemed to ripen differently. All of them had inconsistent shapes. The Bangladesh market Naga I grew was more consitant in shape but likely not as hot(have to do more testing this coming season). My most productive plant was a dorset naga but it was also started earliest.
I'm also working on some crosses, but just crossing two super-hots isn't what I'm looking for. I'm looking more for unique shapes and good flavor. I'm thinking of trying to cross an Aji limon with a bishop's crown. My goal is to add a little flavor and heat(and possibly color) to the general shape of the bishop's crown. I'm also thinking of fatalii(or choc. hab) crossed with chupetinha and maybe some sort of cross with the Guadaloupe hab. Hopefully in time I'll get something interesting.

[JAHaworth]

As dumb as this may sound, How do you cross different plants?

[stillmanz]

I have a lemon drop cross habanero looks like a hab but with lemony flavour thats a nice easy medium heat good for salads fish and chicken dishes... the options are pretty endless.
JAHaworth check out fatalii.net he has the best explanation I've seen on the net.

[pablo]

Hi everyone,
I am curious to know from all the Jolokia growers who have produced seed. What is the most seeds produced in your jolokia plant chili pods
,albeit
Naga,Bhut,Bih Jolokia does not really matter.
I have read that on average that the Jolokia produces about 20 seeds per pod. anyone out there find this to be accurate ,or do you find higher or lower seed numbers in your ripe pods?
the reason I ask is I deseeded one pod over christmas and it produced 71 nice seeds from a single pod. at .50 cents each ,thats quite a chili pepper. hot mother too. ok all thnaks in advance

pablo

[POTAWIE]

Nice looking pods. I've never had anywhere close to 71 seeds, usually around 20. If I(and many others) had 50 cents for every seed I sent out I'd be a wealthy man.:)

[LUCKYDOG]

Holy crap .50 a seed ! 1 package alone I could get about $15

Wheres DevilDuck on this one he should be cashing in

[pablo]

Nice looking pods. I've never had anywhere close to 71 seeds, usually around 20. If I(and many others) had 50 cents for every seed I sent out I'd be a wealthy man.:)
ya thats the CPI price,,,10 seeds for $5us...
UK price at Chiliseeds UK are 5 pounds for 10 seeds.

Holy crap .50 a seed ! 1 package alone I could get about $15

Wheres DevilDuck on this one he should be cashing in
Im really glad these were a gift from a staff member ...
i keep track of the remaining seed count on pods ...to see if she consistant producer or just a fluke.

pablo

[pablo]

hi all,
ck this link at a whopping 1.50 aud per seed...whats that work out to in us ?
http://www.chillibird.com/index.php?p=1_28_Naga-Jolokia----Bhut-Jolokia
Ok on the seed amounts as follows

Pod
#1. 71 seeds
#2. 13
#3. 28
#4. 33
#5. 31
#6. 34
#7. 42
#8. 51

ttl 303
- 71 (sent to a friend}
net 232 seeds for next season...
after a good long drying out ill store in the fridge for a nice grow next season.

pablo

[Donnie]

If they were grown together under controlled environment, would that be fair to each plant? Doesn't each one thrive in a different environment? I already answered this. Seems each thrives in a humid, wet environment with different temperature variations. T.S is almost constant 24C/76F 26C/79F year round, while the Bhut and Naga have a huge temperature range (from ~ 15-50C).

This coming spring, I am planning on crossing Bhut with Trinidad, Naga with Trinidad, Bhut with Naga. Each will be polinated both ways so I will have 6 F1 hybrids. Just wondering how this north Texas climate will effect the plants.

AlabamaJack, there should be no need to pollinate both ways - according to this Mendel Museum it should not matter which variety is used for mother and which is used for father. Result will be exactly the same... (Source: Mendel Museum - http://www.mendel-museum.org/ger/1online/experiment.htm)

[billyboy]

Of the 8 Naga plants Ive got growing one is definitely different to the others, Ive labeled it a Naga Scorpion...Its bloody hot, battery acid taste, all the pods are exteremly wrinkled & bumpy & have the little pointy tail akin to the Scorpion variety, the pods off this plant are nasty!!

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa109/bi11yboy/Harvet291207041.jpg

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa109/bi11yboy/Harvet29120704.jpg

A comparison to my regular Nagas

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa109/bi11yboy/nagscorps.jpg

[darlochileman]

Hi Billyboy,

Every now and again you do get a naga with a scorpion like tail (scroll down to Naga Morich/Trindad Scorpion cross post) and see the pics.

http://thechileman.blogspot.com/

Ive saved the seeds but am not very hopeful of growing of stabilising a plant which can consistently produce pods with this characteristic.

Mark

[billyboy]

HI Darlo, I too have saved all the seeds from this plant, its has been isolated as well so Im very interested to see if the next gen produces the same pod shape, I have been taking cuttings from this plant as it has been my favourite plant so far! For what its worth I got the seed from our mate Tony of Naga Seeds :)

[stillmanz]

Billy remember your friends when you start some cuttings... could be more sauce in it for you lol by the way your package will be sent tommozza wrapped and ready to roll, should be in your hands Tuesday as long as Oz post dont piss fart about. Enjoy.

Mick

[billyboy]

:cool: mmmm.. looking forward to your "Ol' Man Stillmanz" treats. Thanks stillmanz