It's like being in the stone-age

[bentalphanerd]

Someone go out & fix this before I go nuts.

Customers please be advised you may experience slows or congestion when accessing internationally hosted web sites. This is the result of a fibre break in the US caused by a landslide in Portland, Oregon. Confirmation has been received from the US that due to severe storms in the location of the fibre break, this issue will be ongoing for the next 14hrs. Work on restoring the fibre break will commence at daybreak US time. We apologise for any inconvenience.

[bentalphanerd]

8 kb/s download....i'm going through withdrawals.

[Omri]

My Internet connection isn't that fast to begin with, but I don't see any slowdowns.

[bentalphanerd]

My Internet connection isn't that fast to begin with, but I don't see any slowdowns.

I think your connection would go through Europe & west, mines going through Asia & east.

I require my 2 Mb/s to sustain my nerdness. :D

[Omri]

Apparently my connection isn't that slow, it's a 1.5MBit/s one.
I thought I was the last one with that kind of speed. :P
Just a couple of days ago I talked to someone about loading a stream video, and warned her that it might take a couple of hours.
Five minutes later she was done loading. :(
My connection is with me for years, that's why it's so slow.
Just so you know, some people in France have a direct fiber optic connection. :(

[bentalphanerd]

are you on ADSL Omri or cable?

[Omri]

are you on ADSL Omri or cable?
ADSL to the death! :hell:
We had ADSL before cable, and I got mine a long time ago. :rolleyes:
Also at some point the cable network centers were overloaded, so it sucked.
Now it's all good, but I still have my old ADSL connection. :cool:

[bentalphanerd]

Cool - i had the opposite experience...moved once to a suburb that only had ADSL....it was pathetic for me. Now I have the fiber come into my router & out to my 5 comps...2 TB + of space. Need my speed. I spent the last 12 hours going through my terrabytes looking for a bug, until I saw that explanation on my ISP site.

check this out Omri..

**Warning** Please only try this if you know your way around a computer - if the instructions don't make sense -Please dont try this**

To speed up broadband try here first to test yr speed - www.bandwidthplace.com (or http://www.speedtest.net/) - then here to apply a reg patch - www.speedguide.net/downloads.php - reboot- then run the first test again. removal tool also available from 2nd link.

See how you go it increased my connection speed by 30%

[Omri]

No more than 2%-3% increase.
BTW I'm not that stupid, I know my way around a computer.
I actually took a class about micro-architecture in computer chips.

[bentalphanerd]

No more than 2%-3% increase.
BTW I'm not that stupid, I know my way around a computer.
I actually took a class about micro-architecture in computer chips.

good result - you must have that thing well tuned.

The warning wasn't aimed at you - it'll be the next people to read this thread I worry about :cool:

chip architecture now thats getting down to the nuts & bolts! So whats your verdict - AMD or pentium :P

[Omri]

good result - you must have that thing well tuned.

The warning wasn't aimed at you - it'll be the next people to read this thread I worry about :cool:

chip architecture now thats getting down to the nuts & bolts! So whats your verdict - AMD or pentium :P
Don't you mean K10 or Penryn and later Nehalem?
Well Penryn is just a modified version (smaller fabrication and added transistors) of the already structured Core, and it kicked K10's ass.
So my guess is that the new vector processing based Nehalem would make K10 its b1tch.
Better infrastructure resulting in amazing in-chip communication, better memory and QuickPath - AMD's worst nightmare.

[bentalphanerd]

True it looks like a dream...until like most others...you put it in a home environment (where I am) 30 - 40C room temp & they start to screw up.

AMD run at higher temps & so cope with the climate here better (unless you have air-con 24/7)...Still need to take the covers off the box & leave the windows open.

I have repaired an AMD where the cpu fan had stopped for 6 weeks in summer inside an apartment...customer complained that it was getting slower. :lol: I replaced the fan & its still working now as far as I know. P? would melt & die I think.

[Omri]

True it looks like a dream...until like most others...you put it in a home environment (where I am) 30 - 40C room temp & they start to screw up.

AMD run at higher temps & so cope with the climate here better (unless you have air-con 24/7)...Still need to take the covers off the box & leave the windows open.

I have repaired an AMD where the cpu fan had stopped for 6 weeks in summer inside an apartment...customer complained that it was getting slower. :lol: I replaced the fan & its still working now as far as I know. P? would melt & die I think.
You're talking about ancient CPUs.
The new Quad-Core Penryn has an output of 130W, and you know what? it can deal with a lot more.
150C is still a safe temp for it to work.
Although 85C is the expected temp for performance reduction.
The Nehalem CPUs are supposed to be a lot cooler, with less output.

Back in the days old K7 CPUs would have explode if you didn't cool them properly, while Netburst CPUs could handle it without a problem.

[bentalphanerd]

True, I haven't met any quad core yet....happy with my 64x2 for now.

The chip temp will increase though against room temp...especially if the fan stops. And of course outside of the controlled environment that all the tests are done in.

Bring on the octo-core I say :P

[Omri]

True, I haven't met any quad core yet....happy with my 64x2 for now.

The chip temp will increase though against room temp...especially if the fan stops. And of course outside of the controlled environment that all the tests are done in.

Bring on the octo-core I say :P
My workstation is based on a V8 system, which basically is a sample package of two Quad-Core Xeon X5365 CPUs and an Intel S5000XVN motherboard for reporters (it's all about connections ;)).
I'm using the stock coolers, and it's working fine for me, even at 35C-40C.
And you know what? if you can afford a $1,200 CPU, you can also afford a $50 cooling solution for it.

Now about the Octo-Core. :cool:
The Nehalem micro-architecture is a native Quad-Core chip, which means we'll see some Octo-Core MCM version of it.
Intel also resurrected the HyperThread technology, so just imagine a 16-thread machine. :)

[bentalphanerd]

I have to ask, but I'm not sure I really want to know :scared:

Omri are you taking over the world with that thing?

I spend $2000 on my whole workstation but it's for dragging data off broken HDD's and maintaining a few websites.

What are you up to....or is that a national secret :silenced:

[Omri]

I have to ask, but I'm not sure I really want to know :scared:

Omri are you taking over the world with that thing?

I spend $2000 on my whole workstation but it's for dragging data off broken HDD's and maintaining a few websites.

What are you up to....or is that a national secret :silenced:
I spent about $1,000 on that workstation, not including old FB-DIMMs I got from a friend and a Quadro I already had for a couple of years.
So maybe my system is worth more than yours, but I did not spent that much on it.
Half of it just free samples manufacturers send to reporters. :lol:
But that's not the computer I'm using for web surfing, music and stuff, I love it too much for me to load junk on it.
I'm using an FX-55 system for all of the 'usual' stuff.

What am I doing with it? Mostly graphics.

[Pam]

Ohhhh....all this luscious geekery!


*fans self*

Is it me, or is it getting hot in here?

[bentalphanerd]

sounds very cool...may I have your computer scraps? I'm running a 2 x 2 GB matched pair of RAM to take up the slack, 300 GB Seagate SATA 2 doesn't hurt either, another 2.2 TB on a 400 Mbs LAN so I dont bog down my system...but yer, had this for nearly 2 years...time to upgrade again :P

who do you report for Omri? By the way love your artwork, you have a great talent there. I'll be getting some shirts but after xmas when the budget is more robust.

[bentalphanerd]

Ohhhh....all this luscious geekery!


*fans self*

Is it me, or is it getting hot in here?

<<emails Pam some I.T style iced tea

[Omri]

sounds very cool...may I have your computer scraps? I'm running a 2 x 2 GB matched pair of RAM to take up the slack, 300 GB Seagate SATA 2 doesn't hurt either, another 2.2 TB on a 400 Mbs LAN so I dont bog down my system...but yer, had this for nearly 2 years...time to upgrade again

who do you report for Omri? By the way love your artwork, you have a great talent there. I'll be getting some shirts but after xmas when the budget is more robust.
I don't really have scarps, maybe an old P4 or something, but I use most of my stuff.
All the rest of it is "limited edition", so I don't use it.

I don't report, but listing me as a reporter is the 'legal' way for friends of mine to give me free hardware. :lol:
Take Intel for example, their largest development center in the world (Where Centrino technology was developed, Core Duo CPUs too and so much more) is just a couple of kilometers away from me. :rolleyes:
I know some of the engineers working there.
Back in my OC days, I would have gotten CPUs in bulk, but now it's not worth the effort.
Geeks help other geeks out, but nothing is free.
They give me a free CPU, and later they want free RAM. :shocked:

My source of pride and joy is a one of a kind set of silver plated sticks of the legendary G.Skill F2-6400PHU2-2GBHZ memory using the myth-like Micron D9GMH chip.
That set has broken many records, and is able to produce an easy 1,400MHz frequency.
They're still in their original package.

I'm glad you liked my artwork, it means a lot. :)

[bentalphanerd]

I have never heard of the legendary silver plated memory & yet now I need to have them :shocked:
keeping it in original package...is that like having an un-opened action figure from Star Trek? That may be too nerdy for even me lol.

[Omri]

I have never heard of the legendary silver plated memory & yet now I need to have them :shocked:
keeping it in original package...is that like having an un-opened action figure from Star Trek? That may be too nerdy for even me lol.
The 'G.Skill F2-6400PHU2-2GBHZ' is the legendary one.
You can order a set right now if you want to, it doesn't cost a lot.
It's legendary because some batches used highly-bind D9GMH chips - best DDR2 chip ever.
It's also legendary because many OC records were broken using this set.
My set is a one of kind version of that memory, one with pure silver heatsinks.

I can take it out of the package, it's not that of a big deal.
Just said it's in a brand new condition.

[bentalphanerd]

my connections speeding up again :party: someones fixing it.

[bentalphanerd]

The 'G.Skill F2-6400PHU2-2GBHZ' is the legendary one.
You can order a set right now if you want to, it doesn't cost a lot.
It's legendary because some batches used highly-bind D9GMH chips - best DDR2 chip ever.
It's also legendary because many OC records were broken using this set.
My set is a one of kind version of that memory, one with pure silver heatsinks.

I can take it out of the package, it's not that of a big deal.
Just said it's in a brand new condition.

I'm not much of an OC'er - recovery work is all about having the stability to notice when things are going wrong & determine why without too many variables clouding the symptoms.
All I know is when I can't play the latest FPS or Driving game online, it's time to up the system.

Pure Silver as in real Ag or alloy?

[Omri]

I'm not much of an OC'er - recovery work is all about having the stability to notice when things are going wrong & determine why without too many variables clouding the symptoms.
All I know is when I can't play the latest FPS or Driving game online, it's time to up the system.

Pure Silver as in real Ag or alloy?
Pure silver as in real silver (Ag). :rolleyes:

[bentalphanerd]

mmmmm pretty RAM :drooling:

Good to chat with you Omri - I must be off. Is 15 minutes past tomorrow here & some of us must get up in a few hours to do the same day again :rolleyes:

I bought 50 M of bubble wrap today, everyone who has been good can expect a little xmas pain from me ;)

[Omri]

Good night. :rolleyes:

[POTAWIE]

So if I get high speed internet will I start talking like you guys.:lol:

[Trexxen]

Nah, I have a great connection (something like 56 MBps...pretty good =P), but I can't understand a few things they're saying.

While we're on the subject of computers and graphics, though...

My comp is a piece of crap. A SHINY piece of crap, but one nontheless. Sure, I have tons of programs, but space? Nada. Speed? Lol, it takes me 15 minutes to reboot. Graphics? Halo can run at full...not much after that, lol.

I'm not very good with the wires, chips, and whatnot, but I'm decent with software. Should I get my computer a new graphics card (after I save for a car of course), or just get a new one?

~Trexxen

[bentalphanerd]

Depends what you have there now to work with Trexxen

whats your cpu (GHz)? how much RAM? How much free space do you have?

Also a good idea to run some scans for adware & spyware maybe it'll help speed things up.
My "toolbox" page here >>LINK (http://linksdisk.alphanerdz.com/help/)<< has download link to the free Adaware & Spybot programs. Also the 'win startup editor' on the same page is good for turning off all the stuff that is trying to run everytime you start your system up (that you don't need running all the time)

Any problems please ask :)

[fisting_mayfield]

:( when i get shaped, i get bps, not even kbps

Its sad

[chilliman64]

hey bent, do you reckon you could build me a laptop? let's chat about it sometime...

btw you guys, stop whining about your internet speed will you, I'm getting by on 28.8 Kbps, stop making me feel inadequate

[bentalphanerd]

hey bent, do you reckon you could build me a laptop? let's chat about it sometime...

lappies are hard to build - the parts aren't as adaptable from one model to the next as desktops are. email me with what it is you're looking for it to do & I'll help you pick one out.

btw you guys, stop whining about your internet speed will you, I'm getting by on 28.8 Kbps, stop making me feel inadequate
28.8 ...dude, i can't be seen talking to you :shocked: :lol:

[chilliman64]

just make sure that when you're typing a response to one of my posts you're in the room by yourself :)

[bentalphanerd]

just make sure that when you're typing a response to one of my posts you're in the room by yourself :)

not even my other personalities know i'm here :D

[chilliman64]

don't talk so loud (read: don't use the caps lock), they might hear you...

[Trexxen]

Free space...I reckon I have about 10 gigs left; just deleted a ton of crap that was clogging my system. I have a LOT of music =P

1.53 GHz, and 480 MB of RAM...

And as for those programs, I'll be downloading and running them soon...very soon. I need the speed =P

Thanks!

~Trexxen

[Omri]

I'm scared. :shocked:

[bentalphanerd]

1.53 GHz, and 480 MB of RAM... dude my toaster could beat that in chess.

Start thinking new system.

[Trexxen]

XD, alright. Well, in that case...looks like I'm stuck with this one for about 2 more years =P (Car money > Computer money...>.>; )

~Trexxen

[Omri]

1.53 GHz, and 480 MB of RAM... dude my toaster could beat that in chess.

Start thinking new system.
Well it's not enough just saying "1.53GHz". It depends on the type of CPU.
It also sound really weird having 480MB of RAM, what kind of configuration is that? :shocked:

[bentalphanerd]

Im thinking an early P4 chip with recycled SD RAM Omri

[LUCKYDOG]

Shit I have dial up at home.... When I get there after working on the network all day the last thing I want to do is go on at home. Its getting to the point where I need it for the kids school work :sigh: so it looks like DSL is on the radar

[DevilDuck]

You want funny?

220 kbp/s DL
213 kbp/s UL

...and I'm on DSL with a 2G P4 and 1G RAM.

You think I could score better than that!!!

I looked at the modification site and decided it was best not to DL it. I wouldn't know what to do once I had it.

[chilliman64]

You want funny?

220 kbp/s DL
213 kbp/s UL

...and I'm on DSL with a 2G P4 and 1G RAM.

You think I could score better than that!!!

I looked at the modification site and decided it was best not to DL it. I wouldn't know what to do once I had it.

that still sounds better than mine :(

[Omri]

You want funny?

220 kbp/s DL
213 kbp/s UL

...and I'm on DSL with a 2G P4 and 1G RAM.

You think I could score better than that!!!

I looked at the modification site and decided it was best not to DL it. I wouldn't know what to do once I had it.
Are we talking about bits or bytes?
If you're talking about bits, it's a pretty decent connection.
But if you're talking about bytes, it's a pretty sick connection, especially the upload rate.

[chiliman]

My head hurts form reading all that. I'm going to bed.

[DevilDuck]

It's what that test was using. I didn't pay attention.

[Canuk Pepperhead]

3.72megabits per second
454.22kilobytes per second

one site said
4335kb down
661 up
from another site
All I have is an amd xp2000(1.7 gig processor)gig of ram and 400 gigs of harddrive packed full of goodies lol

[Canuk Pepperhead]

for a computer that cost me 200.00 to build I cant complain and at that I find it faster than my buddies p4 3gig with a gig of ram

[Omri]

Internet speed isn't really related to hardware.
Well it is to the network cards and/or I/O (such as USB and FireWire), but even the really old ones are just fine for the average connection.

EDIT:
Those 'Thoroughbred' are some of the best chips AMD has ever made.
They heat up really fast, but they are all about power. They kicked that 'Northwood' ass.

[bentalphanerd]

Internet speed isn't really related to hardware.
Well it is to the network cards and/or I/O (such as USB and FireWire), but even the really old ones are just fine for the average connection.

Thats what all pentium buyers say when they hear about what AMD can do.

EDIT:
Those 'Thoroughbred' are some of the best chips AMD has ever made.
They heat up really fast, but they are all about power. They kicked that 'Northwood' ass.

Sounds like you have a real good stable system there...just what everyone wants.

[Omri]

Thats what all pentium buyers say when they hear about what AMD can do.
Who buys Pentium anymore? :lol:
The only Pentium chips out there are the Pentium E ones (Allendale), and they kick the cost equivalent AMD chips, well at least around here.
From my experience the prices are different from country to country, so maybe you can find even more powerful AMD chips in that price range.

[Canuk Pepperhead]

I used to not like amd for the fact they were notorious for problems in the old days(half probably from overclocking improperly)but since I built this puter well its a work horse..I love it...I dont play games just surf the net and get e-mail..im still trying to convivce myself to upgrade but cant justify it...I have to say I like amd...

[Omri]

I used to not like amd for the fact they were notorious for problems in the old days(half probably from overclocking improperly)but since I built this puter well its a work horse..I love it...I dont play games just surf the net and get e-mail..im still trying to convivce myself to upgrade but cant justify it...I have to say I like amd...
For basic stuff, you don't need something better.
You can even use something older.
The new AMDs got their ass kicked, but the old ones are way better than the equivalent Intel. I just don't like Netburst CPUs.

[stillmanz]

this thread makes me sleepy .......lol

If I can't flick it on and it runs I throw myself to the ground and chuck a tantrum till the wife or my nerdy brother fix it...its all true lol

[Canuk Pepperhead]

this thread makes me sleepy .......lol

If I can't flick it on and it runs I throw myself to the ground and chuck a tantrum till the wife or my nerdy brother fix it...its all true lol
lol im the nerdy guy that fixes every ones puters around here

[bentalphanerd]

I'm actually getting 46.6 K on my dialup here. It's like someone invented the wheel but I'm still waiting for the axle.
My boys computer went BSOD and constant auto reboot today. Didn't bring an xp cd & neither of us have a floppy drive to run drive checks from.
I slaved his off mine. copied the 'software & system file from his C:\Windows\repair folder & pasted them into his C:\WINDOWS\system32\config folder {after renaming the same name files that were there}
It booted up but lost all the drivers - a few trips through Add/Remove Hardware & told xp to auto install each one (they were still in the sys32 folder) All is working again.
Normally I'd have left it until I got home & run a repair from xp cd....but he's got all the music on his system....it was an emergency.

Asleep yet Stillmanz? :lol:

[stillmanz]

what .... where am I... what .

[Pam]

*fans self*

*loosens collar*

Oh dear, but it's gotten warm in here!

[Canuk Pepperhead]

Would you like me to bring you a fan Pam???lol

[bentalphanerd]

I'm sure Pam already has many fans...

...and a few stalkers lol

[Pam]

Why Mr. Bent, you make me blush.

*blushes*

[chilliman64]

well you can welcome me to the modern era - on 19th January we're getting cable fitted - :onfire:

no more dial-up at 28.8kbps

[POTAWIE]

I'm 24kbps max.:( They keep promising high-speed out here but It never happens.

[Omri]

They just offered me a 10Mbit connection, it's VERY tempting.
*must resist overpaying my ISP*

[bentalphanerd]

Back home & on my 600k Woohoo.
Ugly trip back. The boy is staying on at the beach with grand-parents so I thought I'd take a leisurely trip back & take in some sites. Picked up some food poisoning at my first stop & didn't know it until an hour later. *lots of stops* Then it started bucketing down, branches across the road etc.
Took me nearly 5 hours to get through what would have been 1 1/2 hr last stretch. {Beware the curry pie at the truck stop lol}
After a night of stomach cramps & driving the porcelain bus I unpacked my computer & yup...dead. Replaced the mainboard & power supply, they'd both been going flakey & after wrestling with the SATA drivers am back online.
Best part was picking up my Defcon 1,2 & 3 from the P.O today...but man, I can't even look at the bottle now lol
Thanks Mr. Defcon, I'll be putting it to good use soon :cool: