Contest for First Ripe Pepper

[Pam]

I had an idea. I wondered if anyone would be interested in a race here on The Hot Pepper to grow a pepper from seed to first ripe pepper?

We'd select a variety that most of us were planning on growing anyway, select a day to start, then see who gets the first ripe pepper. We would be on the honor system, and the only prize would be bragging rights.

Contestants could document progress and techniques in their blogs, and we could have a trash talk thread in the Lounge.

We'd need to pick a variety and start date. I was sorta thinking of January 1st and Naga Morich. That would give us a month to get organized and make sure everyone interested in playing had seeds.

Should we limit the number of plants that can be entered? I'm thinking 5, people who grow more than 5 Nagas could designate 5 of their as contest plants, once again the honor system would have to cover that.

Anyone is welcome to jump in, although the season is obviously better for the Northern hemisphere. We can pick a later start date, too, if that would work better for those in more northern latitudes.

Anyone interested?

[POTAWIE]

I'm in and ready for some trash-talking. Would it be first to change colour or first to fully ripen?

[Pam]

I'm in and ready for some trash-talking. Would it be first to change colour or first to fully ripen?

I haven't grown Nagas, how do they ripen? is it a gradual color change, or is there a point where the last of the green disappears? The Bhuts ripen almost fully, with the little green point ripening last.

[Omri]

All my Nagas are all grown up, but I guess I could use some of the seeds I have left.

EDIT:
Does it mean we need to get the 'official' Naga Morich red color, or is orange good enough?
Because from what I understand, it takes some extra time for the Nagas to go red while sitting on the plant.

[LUCKYDOG]

I'd be interested if this should fall into place ... also we could use pictures to determine the "Ripe" one

[Trexxen]

I'd enter had I the seeds =P Sounds like a fun contest though...

Also, I have a proposal. The last person to have their first pod ripen has to eat it. >.>

<.< What?

~Trexxen

[Sickmont]

Also, I have a proposal. The last person to have their first pod ripen has to eat it.




Isn't that the whole idea?

[Pam]

Isn't that the whole idea?

No it is not!

I'm not eating one of those hot and nasties, I don't care who beats me to ripeness. The prize for wining will *not* be "watching Pam eat a Naga."

Uh uh, nada, not no way, not no how.

[Sickmont]

No it is not!

I'm not eating one of those hot and nasties, I don't care who beats me to ripeness. The prize for wining will *not* be "watching Pam eat a Naga."

Uh uh, nada, not no way, not no how.

Whataya chicken? Oh well, i would eat it.

[Omri]

Why grow peppers, if not to eat them?

[LUCKYDOG]

Id eat it and like Omri says
Why grow peppers, if not to eat them?

I've tasted everything I have grown so far

[xgrafcorex]

Whataya chicken?

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/xgrafcorex/other/random/marty.jpg

sounds like a fun contest..but wouldn't seasonal differences kinda mess it up? for some it is summer, for others winter? well i guess there's always "indo'" :lol:

[Pam]

Why grow peppers, if not to eat them?

To cook with them. I'm going to make some Jammin' Jolokia Jelly as soon as I get a bit of spare time.

And to keep one's Chilehead friends from demonstrating in front of the house and burning one in effigy.

[Pam]

Whataya chicken? Oh well, i would eat it.

Cluck, cluck, cluck-ity cluck.

[Sickmont]

Cluck, cluck, cluck-ity cluck.

Oh, come on and try one. It only hurts for about a month or so, jeez.

[Trexxen]

Speaking of trying a Naga, if there were a video of, say, me eating an ENTIRE naga, would anyone really mind if it was of cell phone quality? =P

~Trexxen, who may just put his mouth on the line for YouTube fame =P

[DevilDuck]

I couldn't imagine..... I can hardly handle an orange hab.

[xgrafcorex]

had some orange habs in my dinner tonight that were pretty hot. i was surprised. they were worse than the last habs i had that were bigger and red. made basically the same exact dish too.

[Pam]

Oh, come on and try one. It only hurts for about a month or so, jeez.

boc...boc...boc...BOOOOOOOOOC!

[Pam]

I'd be interested if this should fall into place ... also we could use pictures to determine the "Ripe" one

That's a good idea. Perhaps we could appoint non-participants as judges of ripeness. Say, maybe that would be a good use for all the Australians we have cluttering up the place!



sounds like a fun contest..but wouldn't seasonal differences kinda mess it up? for some it is summer, for others winter? well i guess there's always "indo'" :lol:

Well, that's why it's just for fun. A friendly competition with lots of trash talk and bragging rights the only prize.

And, well, it sort of forces all of us who give out growing advice to put our seed trays where our mouths are.

[LUCKYDOG]

I'm clearing space now just in case and if not I'll have a clean area in the basement to try "Operation Oasis"

[bowhunter]

I am in for the contest. I have eaten half a Naga and do not want that prize again, there was no seeds or membrane and do not care to have them.
Dan




LET IT BURN

[bentalphanerd]

That's a good idea. Perhaps we could appoint non-participants as judges of ripeness. Say, maybe that would be a good use for all the Australians we have cluttering up the place!


Good idea - All ripe pods should be sent to me for proper analysis :cool:
Special consideration will be given to contestants who also send sauce, seeds, jerky, booze & cash :D

[Canuk Pepperhead]

my buddy is starting some for me this weekend under his lights beside his..ahem...other plants lol

[Pam]

my buddy is starting some for me this weekend under his lights beside his..ahem...other plants lol

If you could cross pollinate them, imaguitargod would be in heaven.

[Canuk Pepperhead]

lmfao too funny!!!

[Omri]

my buddy is starting some for me this weekend under his lights beside his..ahem...other plants lol
lol, we have a lot of those here.
When I buy my gear (Metal Halide and stuff), most (if not all) people think I grow Cannabis, and that's because they are growing some them selfs.

Here's a picture explaining how to grow plants indoors from one of the major stores around here:
http://media.shopy.co.il/shops/715/5366.gif

Surprise, surprise... :lol:

[Trexxen]

If you could cross pollinate them, imaguitargod would be in heaven.

Spicy brownies? Genius!

~Trexxen

[bentalphanerd]

Here's a picture explaining how to grow plants indoors from one of the major stores around here:


Strange but I can only read the top line. Does this mean I fail my next driving test or you will translate everything :D ....

....no need, I think I can see what they're pretending to grow. :lol:

[AlabamaJack]

I am in too, but I have to order Naga Morich seeds. Suggestions Pam?

I just bid 3.00 for 10 Naga Morich seeds on ebay. Auction is over in less than two days.

[Pam]

I am in too, but I have to order Naga Morich seeds. Suggestions Pam?

Stop looking at me like that. Did I say anything about having extra seeds? No, I did not.

I just bid 3.00 for 10 Naga Morich seeds on ebay. Auction is over in less than two days.

Um, let's just forget I said anything, ok?

[Pam]

Addendum: Do not count your Naga Morich seeds and then scratch your nose and lips.

[LUCKYDOG]

But thats the only time they itch though :(

[Pam]

But thats the only time they itch though :(

That would be incorrect. They also itch when you've just cut into the cecum of a peromyscus to look for pinworms. Like, on Tuesday.

[LUCKYDOG]

Inside the large intestine of a field mouse is hardly a place where I can be found besides it would make my keyboard sticky and gross with icky things....

[Pam]

Inside the large intestine of a field mouse is hardly a place where I can be found besides it would make my keyboard sticky and gross with icky things....


That's why you wear gloves. And, yes, I shall be adding "when counting Naga Morich seeds" to the "When is it socially acceptable to wear latex" list.

[POTAWIE]

I refuse to wear gloves when seed collecting and I always pay for it. Peeing free-handed is always tricky.:lol:

[Pam]

I refuse to wear gloves when seed collecting and I always pay for it. Peeing free-handed is always tricky.:lol:

I'm glad I don't clean your bathroom.

[Canuk Pepperhead]

:lol:lol

[Pam]

Ok, here's my thoughts.

1. The contest starts at 12:00 AM GMT, January 1, 2008. Go to http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/ to see what time that is in your time zone.

2. "Start" means whatever the first step in planting is for you. That means if you soak your seeds or just stick 'em in the seed starting medium, 12:00 AM GMT is when you start. You can fill your seed cups and have lights, etc. in place before hand. It's the actual manipulation of the seeds -aside from a little fondling - that can't start until 12:00 AM GMT, January 1, 2008.

3. Use your The Hot Pepper blog to chronicle your progress and post pictures.

4. This is just for fun and bragging rights, so please remember to keep it fun.

5. When you think you have a ripe pod, post enough pictures that the judges can make sure there are no green patches.

6. Judges..we need at least 3 so there are no ties. Preferably they would be members in good standing who check in regularly. We can probably twist Bentalphanerd's arm...anybody else want to volunteer?

7. This is for fun. I think bribing and sucking up to the judges should be part of the fun.

Anything else?

Does everyone who's interested have seeds?

[Omri]

I'm interested, and I have seeds. =]

[POTAWIE]

I'm in. So its Naga Morich? and orange or red? I think it would be eaiest to judge ripeness by having no green/black left on the pod. Its too difficult to judge pics for color variations. Pics can often look brighter or darker than the real thing. Just my thoughts anyways.

[AlabamaJack]

Haven't got my seeds yet, but they are in the mail and I should receive them in a couple of days......I am ready.

I have another recommendation Pam. Everyone has to keep a log on what they did, when they did it, and what materials they used including brand name such as ________ type seed starter soil, _______ fertilizer, etc.. Then whoever wins has to share his "secrets" with the Hot Pepper Forum.

Sound Fair?

[LUCKYDOG]

I'll give it a go why not?... Its not like a whole lot is going on in Jan 1 anyways except a hangover and what better way to deal with it than planting seeds.

I better get Mc Crackin on getting the basement cleared this is also a good excuse to start the season for the spring.....

[Pam]

I'm in. So its Naga Morich? and orange or red? I think it would be eaiest to judge ripeness by having no green/black left on the pod. Its too difficult to judge pics for color variations. Pics can often look brighter or darker than the real thing. Just my thoughts anyways.

True, and color can be altered with photo programs, too. So, the first all the way non-green Naga is the winner?


I have another recommendation Pam. Everyone has to keep a log on what they did, when they did it, and what materials they used including brand name such as ________ type seed starter soil, _______ fertilizer, etc.. Then whoever wins has to share his "secrets" with the Hot Pepper Forum.

Sound Fair?

That was why I suggested using the blogs. Post a step by step so everyone can see what works and what doesn't. It will make good references for the folks that ask how to grow peppers, too.

[DevilDuck]

I'm in.

If you need a judge, I can help as well.

[Trexxen]

Heh...*sheepish grin* I've never grown a thing in my life. What better way to start than with a contest? =P

*goes to google to begin the search for the perfect naga-growing...plan =P*

[bentalphanerd]

*goes to google to begin the search for the perfect naga-growing...plan =P*

I bet it points you straight back here to THP :lol:

[Omri]

I bet it points you straight back here to THP :lol:
That's where Google pointed me. :rolleyes:
https://www.thproperties.com/



:lol:

[Canuk Pepperhead]

No seeds planted in yet...im in!!!!!Do dorsets count???

[Omri]

No seeds planted in yet...im in!!!!!Do dorsets count???
No way, and I'm not in if they are.

[AlabamaJack]

Naga Morich seeds in hand........yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.......Now I am ready.

[Pam]

No seeds planted in yet...im in!!!!!Do dorsets count???

I'm not real sure what to say about that. Do we know if there is any real difference between the two? This is just for fun, and I don't want anyone to take it too seriously, but it should be fair, all the same.

[Omri]

I'm not real sure what to say about that. Do we know if there is any real difference between the two? This is just for fun, and I don't want anyone to take it too seriously, but it should be fair, all the same.
I'm not sure who was the one to say it, but someone mentioned they go red faster.
Also they're bigger in some cases.

[Canuk Pepperhead]

if someone has some naga morich to donate ill grow those instead for the contest

[Canuk Pepperhead]

lol wait a sec the seeds I got from Pepp3rFreak are naga morich lol..I wonder why I was thinking dorset

[billyboy]

This sounds like some fun!
Is there a list of names that are going to do this?
Also first ripe pod should be at least the length of two "twist top" bottle caps.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa109/bi11yboy/caps.jpg

[fisting_mayfield]

i'm in
sounds like a good clean bit of fun.

[stillmanz]

Don'tlet billyboy play... not only will his super sonic coco hydro nagas get there first, if you eat them they will hurt you badly.

[Pam]

Don'tlet billyboy play... not only will his super sonic coco hydro nagas get there first, if you eat them they will hurt you badly.

Oh, like we're going to take the word of one pale, sandal wearing Aussie about the potency of another pale, sandal wearing Aussie's sad little faux Naga's.

Even Potawie the Pepper Porn Potentate can kick his pale Aussie butt, and I'm gonna plow Potawie into the garden for compost!



(let the trash talkin' begin!)

[POTAWIE]

Bring it on birthday girl. I like the rough stuff.:lol:

[stillmanz]

lol only ment it as a health and safty anouncement honestly.... I'm scared of nagas becauce of billyboys pods. lol
I got nothing right now.... I'll be back when I'm sober. bring on the trash talk.

[AlabamaJack]

Ms. Pam...do you have a list of who all is in for the contest..I just want to see who the competition is.

[Pam]

Ok, contestants so far...

Pam
Potawie
Omri
Luckydog
Trexxen
bowhunter
Alabama Jack
Devil Duck, who thinks he gets to be a contestant *and* select the winner. Ha! Like we wouldn't notice!
fisting mayfield
billyboy (?)

Should I repost the agreed upon rules?

We do need some judges still.

[AlabamaJack]

Ok, contestants so far...

Pam
Potawie
Omri
Luckydog
Trexxen
bowhunter
Alabama Jack
Devil Duck, who thinks he gets to be a contestant *and* select the winner. Ha! Like we wouldn't notice!
fisting mayfield
billyboy (?)

Should I repost the agreed upon rules?

We do need some judges still.

I think it would be appropriate

[fisting_mayfield]

how many seeds can we start with?

i think its important to set a number.

[DevilDuck]

I can be a contestant and select a winner....because I probably won't win. When it comes to indoor growing, I suck something fierce.

Now if I had the ability do grow mine outside, you all would go down in flames!!!!

[billyboy]

Pam, remove the ? from my name on the list, Id like to play too!:hell:

[pablo]

Ok, here's my thoughts.

1. The contest starts at 12:00 AM GMT, January 1, 2008. Go to http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/ to see what time that is in your time zone.

2. "Start" means whatever the first step in planting is for you. That means if you soak your seeds or just stick 'em in the seed starting medium, 12:00 AM GMT is when you start. You can fill your seed cups and have lights, etc. in place before hand. It's the actual manipulation of the seeds -aside from a little fondling - that can't start until 12:00 AM GMT, January 1, 2008.

3. Use your The Hot Pepper blog to chronicle your progress and post pictures.

4. This is just for fun and bragging rights, so please remember to keep it fun.

5. When you think you have a ripe pod, post enough pictures that the judges can make sure there are no green patches.

6. Judges..we need at least 3 so there are no ties. Preferably they would be members in good standing who check in regularly. We can probably twist Bentalphanerd's arm...anybody else want to volunteer?

7. This is for fun. I think bribing and sucking up to the judges should be part of the fun.

Anything else?

Does everyone who's interested have seeds?

hi Pam and all,
Im new here and was reading your contest of sorts. I have a few Bhut Jolokia Seeds and a couple mature plants. is it ok if i just take a cutting on the first and enter it as an honorable mention. not to compete with the seedlings of course.hope to absorb some good information from you guys n gals in the future for growing some super hot chilis.

happy holidays

[Pam]

hi Pam and all,
Im new here and was reading your contest of sorts. I have a few Bhut Jolokia Seeds and a couple mature plants. is it ok if i just take a cutting on the first and enter it as an honorable mention. not to compete with the seedlings of course.hope to absorb some good information from you guys n gals in the future for growing some super hot chilis.

happy holidays

Sure, as long as you are prepared for lots of trash talk about your "cheating" if you get a ripe pod before us seeders. *grin*

If you're interested in Naga seeds, Peppermania http://www.peppermania.com/home.html now has Nagas, and they ship internationally.

[Pam]

Pam, remove the ? from my name on the list, Id like to play too!:hell:

Kewl!

I'm frantically preparing for guests right now, but I'll get an official set of rules together by the end of the week.

[pablo]

Sure, as long as you are prepared for lots of trash talk about your "cheating" if you get a ripe pod before us seeders. *grin*

If you're interested in Naga seeds, Peppermania http://www.peppermania.com/home.html now has Nagas, and they ship internationally.
lol np Pam,however Cheating sounds so dirty ...I like to think of it as more prepared,we did plant several hundred seeds to get my 2 plants ,so im real fond of cuttings over seedlings once i have a proven plant.this one is quite prolific and produces a good pollen supply. the other BJ grows well but has yet to produce a pod.
not quite sure what the problem,temps are good,Nitrogen is ok,but pollen from this plant was almost not existant. will re run her thru a cycle to see if she produces any pods,if none this time ...she is compost.
btw I took two 3" cuts tday for the first ripe contest...maybe someother gardener has a mature plant to try a few cuttings .
if the fatalis arrive soon I will try those seed .

thanks Pam

pablo

[stillmanz]

lol Billyboy is going to eat you alive...


hows that pam?

[Pam]

lol Billyboy is going to eat you alive...


hows that pam?

Sad

I'll have his upside down Australian behind strapped to a rotisserie with my first ripe Naga stuffed in his mouth like an apple while Devil Duck slaps on a little Nuclear Scurvy, Potawie loads on the hickory chips, and Luckydog and Alabama Jack hand out the beers.

Shall I carve you a slice?

[AlabamaJack]

<=========== getting beers iced down

[xgrafcorex]

not entering the contest since i can't.. i will take a beer though. :P

[DevilDuck]

Sad

I'll have his upside down Australian behind strapped to a rotisserie with my first ripe Naga stuffed in his mouth like an apple while Devil Duck slaps on a little Nuclear Scurvy, Potawie loads on the hickory chips, and Luckydog and Alabama Jack hand out the beers.

Shall I carve you a slice?

Damn...now that's a pimpslap!!! :lol:

[POTAWIE]

Sad

I'll have his upside down Australian behind strapped to a rotisserie with my first ripe Naga stuffed in his mouth like an apple while Devil Duck slaps on a little Nuclear Scurvy, Potawie loads on the hickory chips, and Luckydog and Alabama Jack hand out the beers.

Shall I carve you a slice?

And we'll make him drink a Fosters!:oops:

[billyboy]

No, Not FOSTERS..........
Never....

In other news, I spoke to my sponsers today, Im allowed anything I want out of my Hydro shop, my only instruction was to be humble on the podium.

Pam, Youll be lucky to even germinate a seed let alone talk of ripe pods :rolleyes:

DevilDuck, the only pimples Ive ever seen were on PLUCKED ducks!

POTAWIE, I am your living "Nemesis" Hello my friend :hell:

muwahhaahahaahahah:fire::fire:

[AlabamaJack]

No, Not FOSTERS..........
Never....

In other news, I spoke to my sponsers today, Im allowed anything I want out of my Hydro shop, my only instruction was to be humble on the podium.

Pam, Youll be lucky to even germinate a seed let alone talk of ripe pods :rolleyes:

DevilDuck, the only pimples Ive ever seen were on PLUCKED ducks!

POTAWIE, I am your living "Nemesis" Hello my friend

muwahhaahahaahahah:fire

come on Billyboy, you can do better than that.....:lol:

[stillmanz]

Thats my billy boy.

You take the fosters thing back Potawie....
as a functioning alcohol I take great exception to the idea I would even wash my feet with Fosters let alone let a drop pass my lips...lol
As for the comp ....is it too late forme to enter ...whats the rules. I'll play hydro/ indoor underlight rules I don'twant towin the compI just need to beat Pam .... lol

[LUCKYDOG]

*hic* Imsupposedtopassoutthe*hic* beers? ohhhhhhh.. gottagobackout*hiccup* http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/299/2unu176zo7.gif

[fisting_mayfield]

we should have 2 categories...
hydro and non hydro (for those of us too poor to purchase heaps of lights, then cough up when the electricity bill comes in!)

but really, the Aussies are gonna whoop some arse!! it may help that its already summer here, and we dont have to grow indoors!

[billyboy]

we should have 2 categories...
hydro and non hydro (for those of us too poor to purchase heaps of lights, then cough up when the electricity bill comes in!)


Growing in "Hydro" doesn't mean you have to use lights, I will have the first ripe Naga grown Hydroponically using our great Aussie sun!

Now, back to my "First ripe pod" mantra :pray:

[fisting_mayfield]

Growing in "Hydro" doesn't mean you have to use lights

yeah but there is effort involved... water, bucket, pump, nutrient mix... too much to go wrong in MHO

[Pam]

Pam, Youll be lucky to even germinate a seed let alone talk of ripe pods :rolleyes:

*haughty sniff*

I think we all know who is going to win the trash talk prize.

[Pam]

we should have 2 categories...
hydro and non hydro (for those of us too poor to purchase heaps of lights, then cough up when the electricity bill comes in!)

I don't know much about hydro. Is there enough of a difference that we should have separate categories? It's just for fun, but we do want to be fair.

Where's willard3? He seems to have the most experience with hydro.

but really, the Aussies are gonna whoop some arse!! it may help that its already summer here, and we dont have to grow indoors!

Yes, I would agree that hot air seems to be a specialty of you Aussies. Whether its from the vain boasting or that arse of yours that's getting whupped, I'm not sure.

[bentalphanerd]

hydro & heat will win, no question...seperating hydro from lighting is a gip...sorry but yup, it's an advantage.

Im not in the comp but I'd think fair rules would be:
Soil based only {from seed throughout}:No auto/pump watering: - any fert., lights, heating o.k.

For advantages look here: http://linksdisk.alphanerdz.com/help/The_Art_Of_War.zip

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[POTAWIE]

I think we only need one category, since I'd fit into both. Its just for fun and we'll get to see who's method works best(fastest)

[bentalphanerd]

I think we only need one category, since I'd fit into both. Its just for fun and we'll get to see who's method works best(fastest)

hydro will undoubtedly produce faster...so it becomes the fastest hydro producer?

[POTAWIE]

Hydroponics can be very low tech, It just means you are feeding a nutrient solution to a soilless(no nutrients) substrate. It doesn't necessarily mean you need pumps and lights.

[bentalphanerd]

and you are feeding the nutrients to a soilless substrate without a pump - how?

[POTAWIE]

Hand watering.

[stillmanz]

run to waste with a wet pot.. thats how I do it at the moment... Billyboy uses coco run to waste (he may use a pump)
next time your over I'll show you my set up also I have an "autopot"(do a google an excellent wick system) same gig. Willard will tell you all about wick systems. lol

I'm telling you a perfect hydro set (indoors or otherwise) is going to absolutely kill any soil attempt... otherwise dope growers wouldn't bother.

[DevilDuck]

Well, since January 1st is going to be cold as hell here, I'm starting mine out in a hydro system, but when they get big enough, they're going into dirt.

The system I have access to won't hold a full grown plant.

[billyboy]

Its just for fun and we'll get to see who's method works best(fastest)

One category only please. Lets not make this complicated!

If your thinking of trying a "hydro" technique the coco medium is perfect for hand watering, the key to using coco is getting a 10 to 20 percent runoff each day.

Im really interested to see how the soil growers go, as theyre very experienced chilli growers. Im a beginner :oops: to all of this so Im interested to see how the technique Im using compares!

[POTAWIE]

Once I get the first ripe pod we are going to have to expand the contest somehow just to keep the fun(trash talking) going.:cool:
I also think we need a side contest for meanest looking naga. I had a few scary looking ones but mostly the early ones.

[pablo]

Well, since January 1st is going to be cold as hell here, I'm starting mine out in a hydro system, but when they get big enough, they're going into dirt.

The system I have access to won't hold a full grown plant.
a very simple and inexpensive passive hydro system is a 3 gallon bucket with a 3/8 inch hole drilled into side of bucket about 2-3 inches up from bottom of bucket for drain.
this acts as a shallow resivoir in bottom of bucket ,when filled with a peralite/vermiculite mix,and fed with a quality hydro/organic nutrient solution,results can be remarkable.maintain ph at 6 and ppm around 800-1000 and results should be great.this works well for indoor crop production,however for long term maintaining of heirloom plants ,I would keep in a soil planter with a water from bottom well.
any chance there ever be an onsite gallery? it sure make posting pics so much easier.

[POTAWIE]

:shocked:I never let my PPM get that high. I don't believe they need that much nutrients and my PH is around 6.5

[Pam]

hydro will undoubtedly produce faster...so it becomes the fastest hydro producer?

Ok, everyone who knows much about hydro says germination is about the same, but that hydro seedlings do grow faster. So, the comparison isn't really fair, is it? And what's the point if you know before hand that hydro growers seedlings initial growth spurt will guarantee their win? So, I'm thinking we do need two categories.

This is getting way to complicated for it to be fun.

[POTAWIE]

So what's the rules now, no lights, no pumps, no nutrients, no fun. What about greenhouses, I guess thats unfair too? What if I have a bigger, brighter windowsill? If we start defining too many rules, then everybody will be growing with exactly the same variables and the contest is pointless.

[rainbowberry]

Is it OK for me to join the competition too please?

[Pam]

So what's the rules now, no lights, no pumps, no nutrients, no fun. What about greenhouses, I guess thats unfair too? What if I have a bigger, brighter windowsill? If we start defining too many rules, then everybody will be growing with exactly the same variables and the contest is pointless.

Do you have any constructive suggestions on how to equalize things so that everyone can have fun, and not just the hydro folks? From my perspective, I might as well not bother with competing, and just do things on my regular schedule.

What I was toying with was suggesting that anyone who grows their seedlings in a hydroponic set up for the first 6 weeks is considered hydro. I picked 6 weeks because that's the traditional growing time to get from seed to set out size. Hydroponic growers would compete against other hydroponic growers and dirt growers would compete against other dirt growers.

[Pam]

Is it OK for me to join the competition too please?

Anybody is welcome to join at anytime. Just remember the start date is 12:00.01 GMT January 1, 2008.

[POTAWIE]

If your going to have two categories then you have to define hydroponics so some of us know where we fit in. I can have a high tech irrigation system in a non hydro setting or I can hand water with hydroponic nutrients. Anybody who uses nutrients in their water can sort of be considered hydroponics but where are we going to draw the line?

[bentalphanerd]

*sigh* What ever happened to gardening with dirt, light & water & why is it so hard to define what dirt, water & light is now :eh:

[pablo]

how about we just use whatever style we are used to and go with that and may the best chilihead win...2 catagories...either you have dirt on your roots or you do not...thats pretty simple...as far as automated or hand watering ,i think it dont matter if you are attentive to the plants needs.
if seed only is required ,I have some jolokia seed i can try to germinate.
i really never thought of soil vs hydro as a competion. as we all are striveing to produce a healthy plant that grows to type selected.
good luck

[Canuk Pepperhead]

I think thats fair...Getting too percise with rules..man it sounds like all the fun and experimanting are gone out the window...2 catigories...hydro and dirt...

[Omri]

I don't mind if everyone would be in one generic category.
So I'll get my ass kicked, and? :lol:

[stillmanz]

I'm growing in soil...but I'm gonna dose the crap out of the naga with hydro juice... during the day it will get natural light and then 5 extra hours a day I will hit it with the lights.. I'll play led zep to it and make the wife take it on her walks.. I'll pep talk it and let it stay uplate and drink beer with me.
He may not win but little "moggly" will be a contender.... I think we should just play the game and sort the finer details later... lets face it I might cheat yet anyway lol

[Pam]

From Wickipedia:

"Hydroponics is a method of growing plants using mineral nutrient solutions instead of soil. Terrestrial plants may be grown with their roots in the mineral nutrient solution only or in an inert medium, such as perlite, gravel or Rockwool. A variety of techniques exist."

I would include coir in this.

"The two main types of hydroponics are solution culture and medium culture. Solution culture does not use a solid medium for the roots, just the nutrient solution. The three main types of solution culture are static solution culture, continuous flow solution culture and aeroponics. The medium culture method has a solid medium for the roots and is named for the type of medium, e.g. sand culture, gravel culture or rockwool culture. There are two main variations for each medium, subirrigation and top irrigation. For all techniques, most hydroponic reservoirs are now built of plastic but other materials have been used including concrete, glass, metal, vegetable solids and wood. The containers should exclude light to prevent algae growth in the nutrient solution."

Ok, so, if you're doing the above, you're doing hydro. If you're putting your seed, pre-sprouted or not, into dirt or any of a wide variety of potting soils, you're growing in dirt.

Does that clarify things?

[pablo]

I'm growing in soil...
lets face it I might cheat yet anyway lol
LOL :onfire:
dont be tapeing no store bought chilis to your evergreen man.
shh,ya you,come over here,shhh, try this,its a secret and it works...shh,its a secret...
Hygrozyme...

From Wickipedia:

"Hydroponics is a method of growing plants using mineral nutrient solutions instead of soil. Terrestrial plants may be grown with their roots in the mineral nutrient solution only or in an inert medium, such as perlite, gravel or Rockwool. A variety of techniques exist."

I would include coir in this.

"The two main types of hydroponics are solution culture and medium culture. Solution culture does not use a solid medium for the roots, just the nutrient solution. The three main types of solution culture are static solution culture, continuous flow solution culture and aeroponics. The medium culture method has a solid medium for the roots and is named for the type of medium, e.g. sand culture, gravel culture or rockwool culture. There are two main variations for each medium, subirrigation and top irrigation. For all techniques, most hydroponic reservoirs are now built of plastic but other materials have been used including concrete, glass, metal, vegetable solids and wood. The containers should exclude light to prevent algae growth in the nutrient solution."

Ok, so, if you're doing the above, you're doing hydro. If you're putting your seed, pre-sprouted or not, into dirt or any of a wide variety of potting soils, you're growing in dirt.

Does that clarify things?
well done Pam,
good description...let the Flames begin...

pablo

[stillmanz]

lol I'm gonna use flood and drain with a fake soil lid, they'll never know..... mooohahaahahah

[bentalphanerd]

I've got my inflatable Naga plant on order

[fisting_mayfield]

LOL :onfire:
dont be tapeing no store bought chilis to your evergreen man.

DAMN IT!!! my plan has been revealed!!!

Looks like i'll have to grow it the old fashioned way then :(

Pam, i like the 2 broad categories... in soil or not

[DevilDuck]

Well then..... sign me up for the soil category!!!

[Canuk Pepperhead]

Well then..... sign me up for the soil category!!!

Lol I dont even know what catagory ill be in yet I havnt seen my buddies setup yet...My room isnt up yet and as backup if for some unknown reason its not up in time I have a local orchard I deal with starting my seads for this year....Once I see the setup ill let you know but im shure its dirt

[DevilDuck]

I did some calculating today and from January 1st, I'm almost betting I can get a ripe pod in about 10 weeks. Not the little tiny ones, but a full grown pod ready to rip your face off.

Let the smack talking begin!!!!

(We might need a new thread for this)

[pablo]

I did some calculating today and from January 1st, I'm almost betting I can get a ripe pod in about 10 weeks. Not the little tiny ones, but a full grown pod ready to rip your face off.

Let the smack talking begin!!!!

(We might need a new thread for this)
DevilDuck,
ya say 10 weeks and you be showing red ripe pods eh.
Jolokia/Naga/Assam chili ? in 10 weeks from seed...
you got a time machine ...lol
100+ days for red ripe pods...but
this could be possible...{first}a clone will generally be about 10-14 days faster than the seed plant it came from.
second ,if selected a really early Naga/Jolokia this to could cut some time off harvest.
this would be a really important thing with a pure long season variety.
looking forward to a mid march harvest DevilDuck
:onfire:

:onfire:
i put down several of my older Jolokia seeds in a Soil Planter filled with...lol Dirt...garden dirt to be exact...no store bought stuff here,.maybe i can germinate a few plants from this to challenge DevilDuck and the other dirt farmers...to be honest ,i dont think i could find a better jolokia plant than the one i have but it be nice to find another almost as nice.

pablo

[POTAWIE]

I did some calculating today and from January 1st, I'm almost betting I can get a ripe pod in about 10 weeks. Not the little tiny ones, but a full grown pod ready to rip your face off.

Let the smack talking begin!!!!

(We might need a new thread for this)

10 weeks, I doubt you'll even have a green pod but good luck. I'm guessing the first ripe pod will occur sometime in May.

[stillmanz]

10 weeks = 5 leaves lol

[Omri]

10 weeks = 5 leaves lol
I did a little experiment with mine.
The ones under sunlight (well it's winter, not a lot of it is available) have about 5-6 leaves, and the ones under fluorescent lamps have 8 big leaves, two leaves still growing and some weird leaves growing on the stem.
All of that after 5-6 weeks.

Yes, I'm growing Naga Morich.
Two different sources, and both are growing the same.

[POTAWIE]

Fluorescent lights sure help especially this time of year. I don't think I could grow without them in my climate.

[Omri]

To be honest, I'm not how the ones under sunlight even survived.
It's like a late sunset all day long (well until the actual sunset :lol:).

Forget fluorescent lamps, I'll be getting some MH ones for contest. :cool:

[POTAWIE]

Its not always the size of the lights but how you use them.:cool: I find fluorescents are best for starting plants and nothing beats the sun for growing. My light setup is in front of a patio door which gets quite a bit of sun so it get sun during the day and lights during most of the night with a few hours of darkness

[Omri]

MH for green stage, and HPS for flowers and fruits. :cool:
90,000 Lumens > 1,200 Lumens. :lol:

Well it's rare having bright sunlight this time of year (Although today we have a lot of sun, just one of those rare days)... but in a couple of months from now, I'll have all the sun I need. :hell:

[POTAWIE]

We don't have a lot of sun now either but lot of reflection off the snow. Here's a pic of my babied Naga from last year at about 8-9 weeks growing under fluorescent lights.

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/65/2137489499a17e4df513hi0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Omri]

We don't have a lot of sun now either but lot of reflection off the snow. Here's a pic of my babied Naga from last year at about 8-9 weeks growing under fluorescent lights.

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/65/2137489499a17e4df513hi0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
That's big, green and shiny. :lol:
lol, nice work.

[DevilDuck]

I'm starting my seeds in one of these (AreoGarden) and transferring them into pots when they get too big for the thing.

http://www.rainydaymagazine.com/RDM2006/RainyDayGarden/AeroGrow/Assembly/ReadyToPlant.jpg

[Omri]

I'm starting my seeds in one of these (AreoGarden) and transferring them into pots when they get too big for the thing.

http://www.rainydaymagazine.com/RDM2006/RainyDayGarden/AeroGrow/Assembly/ReadyToPlant.jpg
o0o... looks high-tech. :shocked:
What kind of light does it have? :)

[DevilDuck]

Fluorescent, of course!

[Omri]

Fluorescent, of course!
Well yeah, but what kind?
I could have asked what kind it uses, but no... I want to know about the ones on it. :lol:
Wattage? Light temp? Type of lamp?

EDIT:
NVM, found a website selling replacements lights, and they're probably the same.
AreoGarden Replacement Bulbs. 2 Bulbs for your AreoGarden. 26 watts, 1450 Lumens (light output), 6,000 hours is the estimated life.

[LUCKYDOG]

I was looking at those on the web today DD ---
They were all about 150$ --- I saw them at Sears but I didnt look at the price

[stillmanz]

Omri, I was only messin round with the 5 leaves thing "trash talkin" ( I guess it was a bit too subtle)

DD is that a areoponic set up, I have only played with aero a tiny bit but it charges, If I was serious about this comp I'd be using aero to start then chucking em into a nice deep ebb and flow.. I think that combo in perfect conditions is unbeatable.
Do you guys ever get on to fatalii.net? Jukka is the high priest of hydro.

[Omri]

Pft.. I'm gonna kick all your asses, well unless I don't win. :lol:

[LUCKYDOG]

you better get some help if you are going to kick my ass Omri..-- because I am winning!

[Canuk Pepperhead]

Someone said taping the peppers to the plant is bad????
damn on to the next idea lol

[bentalphanerd]

I've been pep talking my seed for 2 weeks already..only 60 something hours to go on this side of the planet. I'm so confident of winning I'm not even going to enter the competition just to be fair on the rest of you. Everyone else should do the same out of sportsmanship.
By the way - I'm in for soil, but wont start until I get back home on the 3rd. I'll have a fresh pod by the 5th, it'll just be from another plant & wont be a Naga. Mere technicalities.
Good luck everyone May the best [insert here] win :cool:

[LUCKYDOG]

Someone said taping the peppers to the plant is bad????
damn on to the next idea lol

I thought it was hot gluing that was bad for the plant :shocked:

[Pam]

1. The contest starts at 12:00 AM GMT, January 1, 2008. Go to http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/ to see what time that is in your time zone.

2. "Start" means whatever the first step in planting is for you. That means if you soak your seeds or just stick 'em in the seed starting medium, 12:00 AM GMT is when you start. You can fill your seed cups and have lights, etc. in place before hand. It's the actual manipulation of the seeds -aside from a little fondling - that can't start until 12:00 AM GMT, January 1, 2008.

3. Use your The Hot Pepper blog to chronicle your progress and post pictures.

4. This is just for fun and bragging rights, so please remember to keep it fun. You are on the honor system.

5. When you think you have a ripe pod, post enough pictures that the judges can make sure there are no green patches.

6. Judges... I volunteered BentAlphaNerd, Devil Duck volunteered himself. Anyone not a contestant who generally checks in once a day or so interested in being a judge? Wordwiz? Podpiper? Chilliman64?

7. There are two categories: Hydroponics and Dirt. If you use any system that does not involve sticking your seeds or germinated seedlings in dirt or potting soil for the first 6 weeks of growth, you're hydro. If you disagree with my definition, you should have whined - I mean - spoken up earlier. If you're not sure about your system, outline it to the judges.

I will repeat and encourage everyone participating to use your blog to describe your technique and post pictures of your progress. Participants who haven't been members for 30 days, sweet talk one of the moderators into activating your blog.

Did I leave anything out?

[Pam]

Pam
Potawie
Omri
Luckydog
Trexxen
bowhunter
Alabama Jack
Devil Duck!
fisting mayfield
billyboy
stillmanz
Canuk Pepperhead
rainbowberry


pablo, you're joining in for the fun with a few Bhut Jolokias, correct?

Did I leave anybody out? It's not too late to jump in, if you want.

[Pam]

In your blog, you can declare if you're hydro or dirt.


Devil Duck, are you sure one of those Aerogardens isn't a hydro sort of set-up? In their product descriptions they keep touting it as better than dirt.

http://www.officialaerogarden.com/ce-h-howitworks.aspx

[Pam]

Just to double check against blondness, I figure that for those of us on Eastern Standard Time, Midnight GMT is 7:00 pm. Am I correct?

[DevilDuck]

Well, the bottom of the thing holds water. It's not going to stay in there because the plants will get too big for it. I'll have no choice but to put them in dirt.

[stillmanz]

cou..aeroponics uugh... no of course its not hydro lol


what ever.... I've already visited the cross roads, 7 years for the first good pod seemed reasonable lol

Damn I been listening to to much Johnson.

[pablo]

Pam
Potawie
Omri
Luckydog
Trexxen
bowhunter
Alabama Jack
Devil Duck!
fisting mayfield
billyboy
stillmanz
Canuk Pepperhead
rainbowberry


pablo, you're joining in for the fun with a few Bhut Jolokias, correct?

Did I leave anybody out? It's not too late to jump in, if you want.
yes mam, i would'nt miss this...
got my seeds under a heater...brrrr

pablo

[DevilDuck]

Uh, oh.... another New Mexico grower. Y'all are in for it. :hell:

[LUCKYDOG]

Just to double check against blondness, I figure that for those of us on Eastern Standard Time, Midnight GMT is 7:00 pm. Am I correct?

Your correct blondy;)

[Omri]

Picking some good seeds and waiting.

[pablo]

Uh, oh.... another New Mexico grower. Y'all are in for it. :hell:
:onfire: Hey DD, im not putting alot of faith in these old seeds,
I just trimed up the two mature females and will reveg them for a month or so ,i figure that some of the other growers might even have some seedings to show by the end of jan.
ya know ,I think with jolokia being a long season variety
{over 100 days} the indoor growers could just begin the bloom photoperiod as soon as the seedling is rooted good.
it wont be a large yield ,but ya only need one ripe chili to win....{im trying to give you guys n gals a fightin chance} lol

:rolleyes:

:hell: pablokia....

[fisting_mayfield]

its getting close now...

[Omri]

Soon... very soon!... *evil laughter*


:lol:

[Canuk Pepperhead]

Unless I can get my seeds to the next city over tomorow regretfully ill have to stand out..Havnt had any time to go..Either way ill post tomorow my status

[billyboy]

My Naga seeds are selected, Im also going to grow a few pure Bhuts just to see which are are the real superior of the two!! "Happy New Year" you lot!!!:mouthonfire:

[bentalphanerd]

less than 4 hours to go this close to the date line.

Start time is 00:00 *link>>GMT<<link* (http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/) everyone.

billyboy & other aus contenders this means 10am tomorrow morning without DLS. Don't screw it up through breaking the rules. Remember the Americas Cup & Ben Lexcan {forget Alan Bond}

~your bent referee

{BTW the bribes have been too small so far to mention. Are any of you even trying?....i can disqualify all of you if that's what it takes! Not that I would, I mean GMT + 1 week would be the best time for a Stalinist purge}

[billyboy]

Bent:) I will post you the winning pod which will be mine of course! for your sampling delight!:hell:

[bentalphanerd]

billyboy - "I will post you" {future tense} doesn't balance my books.

[BTW I have to by law now inform you that your phone & ISP connection are now tapped for trying to bribe a judge {unsuccessfully}. You're chances of winning this comp are now -2.5%. Thank you, come again. :cool: ]

[billyboy]

bahh, I will keep my winning pod & mulch it to dust then;)

[bentalphanerd]

If you have pics, you may still win.

{provided there are no better offers}

[billyboy]

There was talk of Americas Cup! "I come from the land down under" its still ringing in my ears (I even remember Bob Hawke saying if anyone got the sack today their boss was a mug!), & my winning Nagas will be singing "we grew in the land downunder, where we ripen first & leave the others green & undone!":lol:

[stillmanz]

happy new year

[bentalphanerd]

happy new year

[Quoted & :Ditto:] from the Fraser coast with the cyclonic formation :cool:

[Canuk Pepperhead]

Well I didnt make it so im out..Ill sit on the side lines and watch the fun...Now who to root for...lol

[Pam]

{BTW the bribes have been too small so far to mention. Are any of you even trying?....i can disqualify all of you if that's what it takes! Not that I would, I mean GMT + 1 week would be the best time for a Stalinist purge}


We have until April or May. If we bribe you now, you'll have forgotten by then.

[Pam]

*walks past the seed starting stuff*

*glances at the clock again*

*sighs and gets a beer instead*

[bentalphanerd]

Time starts NOW

[Omri]

Time starts NOW
Liar!
It's weeks from now, don't believe him! :lol:
I'll go plant my seeds. Don't worry, not Naga seeds, just seeds err... tomato? :cool:

[stillmanz]

Game on at Ol' Mman Stillanz Farm... Now how the hell do I start a blog lol. Feels a techo-failure tantrum comming on lol....(throws self to ground thrashing)

[bentalphanerd]

Game on at Ol' Mman Stillanz Farm... Now how the hell do I start a blog lol. Feels a techo-failure tantrum comming on lol....(throws self to ground thrashing)

Click on "Blogs" up near where it says "Home", "User CP" etc. On the left hand side you'll see 'Post to my Blog'.

[Pam]

My little darlings are soaking now.

So am I, only in beer. The fireworks are going off all over the place, and I am, as is traditional for New Year's Eve, comforting the dogs.

[billyboy]

:lol: mine are having a cup a tea:P

[pablo]

Happy New Year!!!
OK thats done...lets get busy ...lol
I planted some old Bhut Jolokia seed in a dirt planter...germination expected any day now{dont hold yer breath},
but as a backup plan .
I trimed my two mature jolokia plants and have placed them under some vegative light ,as soon as i have a few fresh cuts to root,i'll get me hydro going...no hurry really. so i guess ill do a double entry...
1 for soil...and a cutting or two in a passive hydro setup.
I guess that means I gotta pay two entry fees eh.
I will do a few nice photos after i have something to shoot.
as soon as i can make a blog ,i will continue the grow show there.

Mele Kaliki Maka
Ho oli maka iki oi

pablo

[AlabamaJack]

Hi all...just back from an 11 day holiday...

My little darlins' are in their seed starting mix and moistened down. Plant time 2000 GMT 1 January 2008. Looks like I am behind already.

[Canuk Pepperhead]

Happy New Year!!!
OK thats done...lets get busy ...lol
I planted some old Bhut Jolokia seed in a dirt planter...germination expected any day now{dont hold yer breath},
but as a backup plan .
I trimed my two mature jolokia plants and have placed them under some vegative light ,as soon as i have a few fresh cuts to root,i'll get me hydro going...no hurry really. so i guess ill do a double entry...
1 for soil...and a cutting or two in a passive hydro setup.
I guess that means I gotta pay two entry fees eh.
I will do a few nice photos after i have something to shoot.
as soon as i can make a blog ,i will continue the grow show there.

Mele Kaliki Maka
Ho oli maka iki oi

pablo
I thought the contest was for using naga morich seeds...sorry dude just curious

[pablo]

Naga/Bhut/Bih arent they all
Jolokia's?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naga_Jolokia

[Omri]

Naga/Bhut/Bih arent they all
Jolokia's?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naga_Jolokia
Well Wikipedia is wrong. :lol:
Not the same pepper, not at all.
http://www.fiery-foods.com/dave/jolokia_compared.asp

[Pam]

Naga/Bhut/Bih arent they all
Jolokia's?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naga_Jolokia

*groan*

Have mercy on us and don't reignite that debate here!


pablo is mostly following along for fun.

[pablo]

Well Wikipedia is wrong. :lol:
Not the same pepper, not at all.
http://www.fiery-foods.com/dave/jolokia_compared.asp

show me

[Omri]

show me
Show you what?
The only thing needed to be shown, already was.
Take a look at the link you quoted.

[pablo]

i read that article months ago,it only states that the pods size is different..that can be done thru selective breeding and has been done that way for centurys...now show me a link with a scientific DNA analyisis
that shows them not the same plant

[Omri]

i read that article months ago,it only states that the pods size is different..that can be done thru selective breeding and has been done that way for centurys...now show me a link with a scientific DNA analyisis
that shows them not the same plant
Oh, you're one of "them". :neutral:
Well you know what? They're exactly the same plant.
It has nothing to do with the fact that each pepper grows in a different habitat.
The fact that more than just few characteristics (such as pod size, pod shape, number of pods per plant and even heat) are TOTALLY DIFFERENT shouldn't matter. :confused:

[pablo]

its called selective breeding...
Jolokia is a landrace from india...not UK
Dorset Naga is a somewhat stabile inbred variety of the Jolokia Landrace...
very simple stuff

[Omri]

Who even mentioned the Dorset Naga?
Naga Morich and Bhut Jolokia are two different peppers.
Not so sure about Bih Jolokia and Bhut Jolokia, but who knows.

[pablo]

its called selective breeding...
Jolokia is a landrace from india...not UK
Dorset Naga is a somewhat stabile inbred variety of the Jolokia Landrace...
very simple stuff
my bad
its called selective breeding...
Jolokia is a landrace from india...not UK
Naga Morich is a somewhat stabile inbred variety of the Jolokia Landrace...
very simple stuff


Who even mentioned the Dorset Naga?
Naga Morich and Bhut Jolokia are two different peppers.
Not so sure about Bih Jolokia and Bhut Jolokia, but who knows.
Not really worth argueing about...
Im still gonna smoke your ass mate.
seed or clone...

[Omri]

my bad
its called selective breeding...
Jolokia is a landrace from india...not UK
Naga Morich is a somewhat stabile inbred variety of the Jolokia Landrace...
very simple stuff
Naga Morich originates from Bangladesh, not Dorset.
Bih Jolokia on the other hand, is from Assam.

Not really worth argueing about...
Im still gonna smoke your ass mate.
seed or clone...
Well good luck with that. :lol:

[pablo]

good luck to you too
Omri...

[Omri]

good luck to you too
Omri...
Liked the way you went a line down, made it dramatic. :onfire:

[pablo]

Liked the way you went a line down, made it dramatic. :onfire:
Then your gonna love this...
But then I guess this lady is wrong too...
copied from NMSU CPI website link to
fieryfoods.com


Bhut Jolokia, Bih Jolokia, Naga Jolokia -- what the ...?

Bhut Jolokia, Bih Jolokia, Naga Jolokia, Naga Morich, Raja Mirchi ... what's the deal with all those different names you can read in print and on the Internet these days for supposedly the very same chile variety? We asked someone who should know best: Leena Saikia of Frontal Agritech, a pepper grower and processing company in Assam that also grows and cultivates Bih Jolokia. Here's what Leena told me:

"All these chillies are from North East India. They belong to Capsicum chinense. In fact, Naga jolokia, Nagahari, Bhut jolokia, Bih jolokia or Borbih jolokia are the same chilli but named differently at different places. For example, the Assamese community call it as Bih jolokia (poison chilli -- jolokia means chilli in Assamese), Bhut jolokia (probably due to its ghostly bite or introduction by the Bhutias from Bhutan poison chilli) or Naga jolokia (due to extreme hotness representing the aggressive temperament of the warriors of neighbouring Naga community). In Nagaland and Manipur states, it is known as Raja Mircha or Raja chilli (King of Chillies). In major Indian languages, chilli is known as Mirch or mircha (Bengali and Hindi)." Morich" may be a distorted version of 'mirch'.


So how about this chile variety outside Northeastern India?
Leena said:

"We fully agree that these are of the same species and type which might have migrated to other nearby states and countries including Bangladesh and Srilanka where this chilli continued to be known as Naga Mircha ("Naga Moresh''). The original seeds of Dorset Naga were sourced from Bangladeshi community of Britain who might have taken the fruits of this chilli from Bangladesh for culinary purposes."

In their home country, Bhut Jolokia and Bih Jolokia are also spelled Bhwt Jolokiya and Bih Jolkiya respectively.

In a blog we overheard this statement, obviously by a local as well:
"It depends on where you grow it. If it is in Guwahati, it is Bhot Jalakia. In Jorhat it would be Bhut Jalakia. The end result is the same, you burn at both ends."
Confusing.

There seem to slight differences between various flavors of this pepper, though.
While the Assamese growers (Bih Jolokia) as well as the Chile Pepper Institute (Bhut Jolokia) report two flowers per node for their respective plants, we found clusters of up to five on the Naga Morich test plants we grew in our Pepperworld greenhouse from original "Chileman" seeds.

Also, depending on the source, certain calyx differences are evident, and also in fruit shape. Growing the various peppers next season will hopefully bring more insight, so some updates in the future are possible.

With the potential to have the latest "Hottest Chile on Earth" in their hands that will kick Red Savina off its throne, it is no wonder that various parties are trying to market this pepper as "theirs."

Maybe this last sentence has more to do with the disput than anything else.
From everything in print and photograph I have seen, leads me to believe they all are the same genetic species of chilli pepper.
one sure fire way is to test for the common jolokia RAPD marker found in the CPI DNA test for the Bhut Jolokia and compare Naga Morich to it...that would most assurdly quell this disput...

no need for drama,we agree to disagree

:hell:
pablokia

[Omri]

Well she's pretty wrong.
First of all a DNA test (I thought you like those) showed it has both Chinense and Frutescens genes.
Also she is just saying what SHE THINKS, just like I think they're not the same.
Three types of plants (one called 'Bih Jolokia', one 'Bhut Jolokia' and the other 'Naga Morich'), all came from a "pure" source with no "selective breeding" in the plant's history and guess what? under the same conditions, they grew differently.

Also, you chose to ignore an important part:
There seem to slight differences between various flavors of this pepper, though.
While the Assamese growers (Bih Jolokia) as well as the Chile Pepper Institute (Bhut Jolokia) report two flowers per node for their respective plants, we found clusters of up to five on the Naga Morich test plants we grew in our Pepperworld greenhouse from original "Chileman" seeds.

[stillmanz]

I concure with pablo, I can't see there being too much advantage and Billyboy is growing them and nagas out so roll on.. mind you if you win Pablo I'll denie all and have you struck from the record books lol

I tell you its lucky we aren't playuing for a kidney otherwise it might get competitive...

[stillmanz]

You sure no how to make friends round here Omri.

[bentalphanerd]

I tell you its lucky we aren't playuing for a kidney otherwise it might get competitive...

Like your kidney would be worth anything Stillmanz :lol:

:cheers::beer:

[stillmanz]

lol.... hell maybe I should be playing for a kidney.

[bentalphanerd]

its a good thing you've got those little compatible donors running around the house lol

[stillmanz]

god bless my healthy little children with there plump pink organs lol
(I am just kidding I love my babies)

[Pam]

You sure no how to make friends round here Omri.

I like Omri. And not just because I agree with him.

Saying that Bhut Jolkia and the Naga Morich are the same pepper from different regions is like saying that all red habaneros are the same pepper with different names. We know that there are lots of very similar peppers out there, but we accept that they're different varieties. We know from reports of the people growing both the Bhut Jolokia and the Naga Morich that they are very similar, but there are some differences.

How many generations of selective breeding does it take before you have a recognizable new variety?

[Omri]

I concure with pablo, I can't see there being too much advantage and Billyboy is growing them and nagas out so roll on.. mind you if you win Pablo I'll denie all and have you struck from the record books lol

I tell you its lucky we aren't playuing for a kidney otherwise it might get competitive...
lol it's not about the contest.
He can use Jalapeños for all I care, I just think he's wrong. :)

I like Omri. And not just because I agree with him.

Saying that Bhut Jolkia and the Naga Morich are the same pepper from different regions is like saying that all red habaneros are the same pepper with different names. We know that there are lots of very similar peppers out there, but we accept that they're different varieties. We know from reports of the people growing both the Bhut Jolokia and the Naga Morich that they are very similar, but there are some differences.

How many generations of selective breeding does it take before you have a recognizable new variety?
Totally agree, especially with the liking Omri part. ;)

[POTAWIE]

I started 9 seeds but only plan on growing 1 or 2 Naga Morich plants. I'll just pick the 2 that grow the quickest I guess.
I also just figured out that a blog isn't a snotball so maybe I'll look into trying this format.

[LUCKYDOG]

Ha ha ^^ I am starting 7 or 8 and I have a dozen going to an experimental lab. I broke down and used the snot ball it aint so bad

[Omri]

Started only two seeds. I don't need any more. :cool:

[Canuk Pepperhead]

Even though I wont be in the contest I realized something today while chatting with a buddy of mine in town here..His wife has a side buisness breeding skinks,gekkos etc..Now she has a bunch of custom built cages that him and I built..each chamber is heated and has flourescent lighting and another type..In one of the empty chambers im going to start some seeds in there..Too bad I didnt think of that earlier..and I found me a humidifier..
http://s231.photobucket.com/albums/ee292/_Canuk_Pepperhead/?action=view&current=cage2006-02-0520070.jpg

tell me what ya think

[Canuk Pepperhead]

If its ok ill come in as a late contender...I know I wont win but hey its all in fun

[Pam]

If its ok ill come in as a late contender...I know I wont win but hey its all in fun

Oh who knows, maybe gecko poo will prove to be the perfect Naga fertilizer.

You're welcome to jump right in as far as I'm concerned.

[AlabamaJack]

Fine with me for CP to join in.

[Omri]

Sure, it's all just for fun. :)

[billyboy]

:cool: Fine by me, More the merrier :party:

[Omri]

I'm so going to kick all your asses...
Replacing all my light setups with Agro lamps. :cool:

[billyboy]

I'm so going to kick all your asses...
Replacing all my light setups with Agro lamps.

Mine will grown the right way, with lots of LOVE:P

[Omri]

Bah I'm not so sure I should go with Agro after all. :O
http://www.thehotpepper.com/showthread.php?t=4136

But I'm still gonna kick your ass. :)

[pablo]

mind you if you win Pablo I'll denie all and have you struck from the record books lol
LOL,its nice to know I can count on you in a jam...thanks

I like Omri.
so do I

How many generations of selective breeding does it take before you have a recognizable new variety?
well I think thats way beyond my education level,
just to guess I think the genotype will remain the same as long as another species is not introduced,
however the phenotype {what we can see in a plant} can be manipulated thru its environment.

Sure, it's all just for fun. :)
Thats right Omri ...so lets have some fun...

I'm so going to kick all your asses...
Replacing all my light setups with Agro lamps. :cool:
well this is where I could really hep ya out ,but since Im in this to win,i'll keep it to myself...lol :onfire:


good luck

pablokia :hell:

[AlabamaJack]

well this is where I could really hep ya out ,but since Im in this to win,i'll keep it to myself...lol :onfire:


good luck

pablokia :hell:

Check the original post. Aren't we supposed to share how we are growing the peppers and what techniques we use? This is supposed to be not only a contest for the first ripe pepper but a learning experience too isn't it?

[stillmanz]

I here what your saying AJ but I can see why Pablo may be a little fired up towards Omri (it's how he totally dismiss anyone else opinion), he's a precocious shite stirrer, that fine hell so am I but you gotta know when to pull back. I know I'm just adding fuel to a fairly big fire but I can see were pablo is comming from.
And hell it s a open forum if omri wants to wind people up (wether he is right or wrong) surely they have a right to respond, I'll go back in my box now.... be gentle Pam lol.

[AlabamaJack]

One thing we all have in common is we all love hot peppers or we wouldn't be here.

Being a relatively new pepper gardener, I am open to any and all suggestions that will make my peppers grow better, bigger, faster, and hotter.

This site is exactly what I needed because I can learn from the best. If you think about it, we are chile heads from all over the world, from Alaska, to Israel, to the land down under. This makes us our own nation.

Anybody know the number of countries we have participating in this forum?

Grandpa always said "Don't let your aligator mouth overload your canary ass".....

[Omri]

I here what your saying AJ but I can see why Pablo may be a little fired up towards Omri (it's how he totally dismiss anyone else opinion), he's a precocious shite stirrer, that fine hell so am I but you gotta know when to pull back. I know I'm just adding fuel to a fairly big fire but I can see were pablo is comming from.
And hell it s a open forum if omri wants to wind people up (wether he is right or wrong) surely they have a right to respond, I'll go back in my box now.... be gentle Pam lol.
So I guess you don't like me much... too bad, because I like you.
Maybe I am acting a bit rudely, but I don't mean to.

[Pam]

Being a relatively new pepper gardener, I am open to any and all suggestions that will make my peppers grow better, bigger, faster, and hotter.


Being a pepper gardener of more years than a lady cares to admit to, I am open to any and all suggestions that will make my peppers grow better, bigger, faster, etc...

[Pam]

I here what your saying AJ but I can see why Pablo may be a little fired up towards Omri (it's how he totally dismiss anyone else opinion), he's a precocious shite stirrer, that fine hell so am I but you gotta know when to pull back. I know I'm just adding fuel to a fairly big fire but I can see were pablo is comming from.

Oh, butch up, you big girl! Just because Omri doesn't use a bunch of weasel words in his posts doesn't mean he's a shit stirrer. All he does is stand his ground in a debate. Honestly, if you think Omri is bad, don't ever go on Usenet. Your brain will explode in the first 15 minutes.

And hell it s a open forum if omri wants to wind people up (wether he is right or wrong) surely they have a right to respond, I'll go back in my box now.... be gentle Pam lol.

His prose style is spare and terse, and I think you're *interpreting* it as belligerent or dismissive. If I'm not mistaken, English is not his first language, so instead of assuming malice or mischief, consider that the problem might be one of cultural or colloquial interpretation.

[POTAWIE]

Group hug!

[Pam]

Group hug!

Yeah, it'll be warmer in there!

[Canuk Pepperhead]

Ive decided im doing things myself and not at my buddies house to start..I got kinda of a cool redneck idea for a setup involving an old coffee table a 2x4 cut to size and my flourescent lights with its overpriced lux lights..Hopefully ill have the seeds planted by the end of the night..Just not shure how long you soak them for

4 seeds 2 nagas,bents bab bird,and my mystery cat loving bird plant

[AlabamaJack]

Group hug!

Agree with Potawie...peace out

By the way, I started my Naga Blog if anyone is interested. I posted some pics too.

[Omri]

Yo AJ, when did those Red Savinas sprouted? They look really young. cute, though. :)

[AlabamaJack]

Yo AJ, when did those Red Savinas sprouted? They look really young. cute, though. :)


I planted them Sunday, 15 Dec, so they are 2 weeks 4 days old from seed.

[Omri]

I planted them Sunday, 15 Dec, so they are 2 weeks 4 days old from seed.
How long did it take them to sprout? they are so cute.
Now I want to grow some Savinas as well. :oops:

[AlabamaJack]

How long did it take them to sprout? they are so cute.
Now I want to grow some Savinas as well. :oops:

Don't know exactly...I left on holiday Saturday 22 dec after I planted them and just got back this past Sunday and they were already up...so somewhere between 7 and 14 days...

[Canuk Pepperhead]

heres my setup revised(I do electronics on the side) and have a few dead receviers peeps give me thinking they can get fixed for 20.00 lol I was going to send them for scrap but finally they have use..I lit it up to show for tonight...yes im using peat pods...as for under heat that old coffee table is sitting on top of a vent...plenty of heat there.....Well my experiment..I hope I grow something lol
any advice more than welcome.......

http://s231.photobucket.com/albums/ee292/_Canuk_Pepperhead/?action=view&current=rednecksetup.jpg

[Omri]

Don't know exactly...I left on holiday Saturday 22 dec after I planted them and just got back this past Sunday and they were already up...so somewhere between 7 and 14 days...
That's cool, hope they'll grow fast. ;)

[AlabamaJack]

heres my setup revised(I do electronics on the side) and have a few dead receviers peeps give me thinking they can get fixed for 20.00 lol I was going to send them for scrap but finally they have use..I lit it up to show for tonight...yes im using peat pods...as for under heat that old coffee table is sitting on top of a vent...plenty of heat there.....Well my experiment..I hope I grow something lol


http://s231.photobucket.com/albums/ee292/_Canuk_Pepperhead/?action=view&current=rednecksetup.jpg


That is so cool......

[Canuk Pepperhead]

Well thx AJ if anything that just made me feel good lol

[Pam]

Alright..the Canuk is in!

[Canuk Pepperhead]

if I get sprouts hell ill be happier than a pig in...well you know lol

[Canuk Pepperhead]

I just threw a cherry bomb in too for the hell of it..Ive got a tonne of those seeds
im chopping the legs on that table tomorow to bring it closer to the vent(It was garbage anyways pulled from the last tennants that got evicted for my peppers)

[stillmanz]

I think I started about 9 seeds all in dirt except one which will be hydro... coco run to waste using a wetpot gravity feed to be exact, all will be out doors no lights,we'll see how they go.

[Pam]

I just threw a cherry bomb in too for the hell of it..Ive got a tonne of those seeds
im chopping the legs on that table tomorow to bring it closer to the vent(It was garbage anyways pulled from the last tennants that got evicted for my peppers)

You evict tenants for your peppers? I'm really impressed, all I did was tear down a couple of sheds and rent a tiller.

[Canuk Pepperhead]

You evict tenants for your peppers? I'm really impressed, all I did was tear down a couple of sheds and rent a tiller.Lol no they were already evicted
I just grabbed an old coffee table they left behind to put my plants on in front of my living room window.

[billyboy]

Ive got 4 out of 4 for my Naga "Big POd" seeds germinate already, no sign of the others though... yet:cool:

[Omri]

Didn't sprout just yet, but that's ok... my 6500K lamps will grow them fast enough. :cool:

[billyboy]

What medium will you be growing in Omri?

[Omri]

Do you mean category? I'm in for soil.

[Canuk Pepperhead]

lol I found a heating pad now this will get a few chuckles but it might even put off a bit too much heat..ill have to see
a bell recevier 4100 lol

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee292/_Canuk_Pepperhead/rednecksetup001.jpg

[billyboy]

:P heres a snapshot of my newly hatched Nagas. 3.5 days it took for germination of all four (Big POd) Naga seeds, these seeds wouldnt be any older than a month old, these are from seed from my own Home grown Nagas:P

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa109/bi11yboy/seedlings080151.jpg

[stillmanz]

that was quick germination, fresh seeds will do that. I better check mine or start cheating lol

[billyboy]

:P yeah, you wouldnt wanna get left behind at this stage:P

[stillmanz]

I use the same fish tank germinater set up... I got heaps of old 2 foots and heaters from when I breed tanganykin shell dweller cichlids.
I tell you it works perfect, I was going to set a 3 foot cube upand grow a coco inddors naga but couldn't be bothered... next year.

[Omri]

Dammit... didn't sprout yet!
Better work on some weird super fertilizer thingy. :O

[Canuk Pepperhead]

im thinking my little mygverism is working my little pods are nice and cozy warm

[Omri]

I have my first pods already, just need them to ripe. :)




































:lol:
Didn't even sprout yet. (:()

[bentalphanerd]

you remembered to put seeds in didn't you :think:

[Omri]

you remembered to put seeds in didn't you :think:
I knew I forgot something! :doh:
:lol:

Yep they're in, my finest seeds.

[pablo]

hello all
not really much to add ,the cuttings have not wilted so thats a good thing and i may have one of the jolokia seedlings emergeing tday,there seems to be a small green seedling popping out.
hopefully more will appear eventually. thats all for now.

keep it green
pablo

[billyboy]

nothing as yet with my other seeds, geez those 4 must of been keen to see some daylight:cool:
pablo what method are you using for your cuttings? Ive been doing them in coco, which is working ok (3 weeks good root system) Im now in the process of building my own aeroponic style cloning tank, Ill post pics when its up & running:)

anyone else got a sprout yet?:P