Check out whats growing in my closet :)

[Txclosetgrower]

I got bored one day so I decided to since its too cold to grow outside and my balcony faces north anyway, I was gonna just grow in my closet. I went to the feed store which was the only place that has seeds this time of year, picked up some jalapeno, tam jalapeno, and long red cayenne seeds. I also ordered some peruvian purple chiles from www.seedsofchange.com because the plant looks really cool and it said it did well as an inside plant, so I figured it would do great in my closet under bright light.

I started all my seeds in 16 oz plastic cups, and I ended up only keeping 1 of the purple chiles, and 2 of the tam jalapenos, because I wanted to save room for other things in the future. I'm probably going to throw out the gimpy looking jalapeno plant anyway and just keep the healthy one. These pics are a little old, I'll get new pics in a day or two:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/11/32214554780.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4031651)
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/11/32214475838.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4031421)
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/11/32214475835.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4031420)
The gimpy one:
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/11/32214475868.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4031422)

[imaguitargod]

Ya, gimpy doesn't look too hot.

[marcosauces]

closet growing...that sounds spooky..:)

[Txclosetgrower]

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/11/33002175329.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4105801)
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/11/33002175396.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4105802)
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/11/33002175341.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4105800)


Lookin better :) Should I just go ahead and pull up that little guy who sprouted next to the jalapeno? How bad is it really to have 2 plants per pot (i know its not ideal, but would it hurt a lot?) if I use some string to train them to grow away from each other?

[Txclosetgrower]

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/11/33002175246.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4105799)

[imaguitargod]

Ya, yank the second one. They'll end up fighting each other for root space.

[Txclosetgrower]

Maybe i can get the little one its own pot when I go to transplant. Should be doing that in a week or so. I might just leave it, because I'm planning on moving it to a fairly big pot, and as long as having smaller roots just will make the plant smaller and not kill it, it might actually help my cause. Someone replied on a different forum saying that it would make both plants smaller, but the overal yield from the container would probably be the same. I'm gonna start several more plants soon, so I might run this as an experiment. If it gets bad I'll just chop one off and transplant again.

[POTAWIE]

Txclosetgrower your plants look good but two in the same pot is a bad idea. They will compete for light, nutrients, and root space. I'd chop it or transplant it asap.

You asked about pro-mix on another forum, and I can tell you that I've had great success with it. Its been part of my secret formula for a few years now.

Good luck and happy growing

[Txclosetgrower]

Alright, I got some new seeds from a member of another forum. I was supposed to be trading a few heirloom tomato varieties for some dorset naga seeds, but the guy decided to go ahead and send me some red savina & gold bullet seeds as well as some dorset powder :) So yeah, those little sprouts are gone, I'm starting new plants go along with my jalapeno and purple chiles :)

[Txclosetgrower]

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/11/33021164038.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4113159)
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/11/33021164155.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4113160)

Well, the retard jalapeno in the cup got moved to the window sill to live out the last of its days. I couldn't bear to kill it too, since although it is dumb, it is trying damn hard to live, so I figured I'll keep watering it and see how it does lol. You can see I transplanted the other one into the big black pot to free up its 4" pot, pulled up both of the little sprouts (sry little guys :( ) and i planted 1 of those dorset naga seeds. Jalapeno is still curling its leaves down as you can see in the pic, but it doesn't look too bad other than that. May be drying out a bit, but from what I've read peppers are pretty tolerant to low water / high heat. Stay tuned :shocked:

[Txclosetgrower]

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/11/33021164118.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4113161)
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/11/33021164129.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4113162)

[imaguitargod]

Those guys look fine. I've seen much worse leaf curling. I wouldn't worry one bit about that.

But...how close do you have your lights and why kind of lights are you using? Is the light in the above pictures what you are using and is that representitive of how close the light is to the plant?

[Txclosetgrower]

The lights are maybe 1"-2" above the plants. I have 2 23 watt 1700 lumen CFLs. They put out a little less heat than that big 42 watt one, so I picked them up first for starting the seeds. Plus they didn't stick out of the lamp so far. I also have 1 42 watt 2700 lumen CFL. All 3 lights are warm white (2700 kelvin). I realize that the 6700K lights are better for vegetative growth, but I've found that it doesn't really matter all that much. You get slightly shorter internode spacing with the cool white CFLs but if you keep your lights within 2 inches, you'll still get dense growth with the warm white ones. See how my plants haven't stretched any? The trick is just keeping the lights really close. Its hard to burn a plant with a CFL, it has to actually touch it. The fan blowing directly on the lights helps keep it cooler though, because CFLs do still put out some heat, although not much.

Right now I'm using desk lamps to hold the CFLs cause they are the easiest to adjust when the plants are that small. Once they get bigger like that jalapeno, I put them in bigger pots and put a CFL in one of those clamp light things designed for like a work shop. I have it clipped on to a few hangers hanging from the clothes rack lol. Since I plan on getting those tube fluorescents, I'm not worrying too much about buying more clamp lights and chains just yet.

[imaguitargod]

Ya, switching to the fluorescent grow lights is a good idea.

[Txclosetgrower]

Ya, switching to the fluorescent grow lights is a good idea.

You mean the tubes? I was suprised when I found out some ofthe little CFLs put out more lumens than a lot of the 48" tube lights, not to mention the lumens would be spread out along the 48" instead of in one spot like with the compact fluoros. I still want the tube ones just to get more light coverage, but I think I'm still gonna use a lot of CFLs as supplemental lighting. I like how easy they are to put where you need them and their small size helps out too.

I've noticed that most things sold as "grow lights" or "plant lights" (except at a hydro shop or nursery) aren't actually all that good for growing plants, but they make your plants appear greener than they are because of the spectrum they put out making the plant appear to be healthier to the eye. You're better off using the standard fluoros in the right spectrum.

What I really really want is one of those tek light T5 fluorescent grow lights, but those are much more expensive than a T8 light system, although they do put out a lot more lumens.

I'm gonna set up some type of exhuast system for my closet, since I'm just using fluoros there isn't a whole lot of heat to get rid of, so I was thinking of simply mounting a fan where it will push air out of the closet and having another opening as a passive intake.

I've also been toying around with the idea of building an enclosed box for inside the closet, with intake/output fans an lining it with mylar or panda plastic to get the most out of my lights. Too broke for that til next semester though, I'll probably build that the first part of january.

[ross]

my friend in college grew a sea of green in his closet.

oh wait, this is the pepper forum, sorry..

[imaguitargod]

I've noticed that most things sold as "grow lights" or "plant lights" (except at a hydro shop or nursery) aren't actually all that good for growing plants, but they make your plants appear greener than they are because of the spectrum they put out making the plant appear to be healthier to the eye. You're better off using the standard fluoros in the right spectrum.
All I know, as far as indoor plant lights go, is from the carnivorous plants that I had. I used just a standard "grow light" and they went crazy! But once again, I havn't done a light rig for peppers.

[Txclosetgrower]

my friend in college grew a sea of green in his closet.

oh wait, this is the pepper forum, sorry..

Rofl. Haha, that isn't where I learned all about indoor growing:rolleyes:, at least thats my story and i'm stickin to it......But hey, there's a time and a place for everything, and its called college.

[Txclosetgrower]

Well, to get better light coverage, and simply because of the way that purple one is growing, I decided to start low stress training it to get better light coverage to the new branches that are growing up at all the nodes. We'll see how this goes, I'll post pics soon.

[willard3]

If you're still buying luminaires, you should look at led's.....100-130 lumens/watt (wayyyyy beter than flour or HID), the lamps last longer than anything else and you have complete control of spectrum.

[ross]

how much did this whole operation cost you?

did you have to buy different light outlets or can you put those bulbs in a regular lamp?

[Txclosetgrower]

how much did this whole operation cost you?

did you have to buy different light outlets or can you put those bulbs in a regular lamp?

Lol, like maybe 20 bucks. I use the desk lamps for when they're small seedlings, and then I move up to those clamp lights so I can move the lights higher.

I have 2 23 watt fluorescents and 2 42 watt fluorescents in there now, for a total of 8800 lumens. And yes, the CFLs screw directly into a regular light socket. The best light sockets to use are the clamp lights you can find in the extension cord isle of home depot or lowes. They're like 6 bucks and they come with a 6' extension cord and a clamp and round metal reflector. I like it better without the reflector.

http://www.1000bulbs.com/products.php?cat=42-Watt-Compact-Fluorescents

[Txclosetgrower]

w00t! The dorset I planted is just ever so slightly breaking the soil. Like the back of the stem, kinda "n" shaped, it should unfold the rest of the way by the end of tomorrow. I'll take baby pics :)

[ABurningMouth]

Please do. I am so jealous. I want some Dorset seeds so bad.

[ross]

Lol, like maybe 20 bucks. I use the desk lamps for when they're small seedlings, and then I move up to those clamp lights so I can move the lights higher.

I have 2 23 watt fluorescents and 2 42 watt fluorescents in there now, for a total of 8800 lumens. And yes, the CFLs screw directly into a regular light socket. The best light sockets to use are the clamp lights you can find in the extension cord isle of home depot or lowes. They're like 6 bucks and they come with a 6' extension cord and a clamp and round metal reflector. I like it better without the reflector.

http://www.1000bulbs.com/products.php?cat=42-Watt-Compact-Fluorescents


cool, whenever i get my seeds from john (damn mail!) ill probably do something similar to this.

[habman]

Txclosetgrower are you going to join the Big Jim competition?
It would be funny is us artificial light growers would win the competition :)

[Txclosetgrower]

Txclosetgrower are you going to join the Big Jim competition?
It would be funny is us artificial light growers would win the competition :)

Nope, not this year. I already have way too many varieties to fit in the closet, I still gotta try most of these before I get some new seeds. I'll have to plan ahead for next year :)


That dorset is completely above ground, already turned green from white and has its two little bitty leaves that are still shaped like | instead of a leaf. Hard to believe anything this small will be responsible for causing severe cases of ring burn in the future lol. I planted it last monday evening, and it started sprouting sunday night. So just under a week. Not bad, considering how long it says it can take peppers to germinate. So far I've gotten lucky, nothing has taken more than a week to break the soil. Those peruvian chiles only took like 4 days.

[Txclosetgrower]

Dorset baby pics, as promised:
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33801133822.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4175770)

Check out my LST'd (low stress training) pepper:
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33801133998.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4175771)
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33801133986.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4175772)

This is the closet:
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33801134339.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4175780)

[Txclosetgrower]

See that little ball? Is that what becomes a flower?:
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33801133934.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4175773)

Jalapeno has gotten the biggest. It likes its new pot:
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33801134047.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4175774)

See how LST'ing minimizes height and maximizes light distribution?:
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33801134093.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4175775)

[Txclosetgrower]

And a few more pics:
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33801134133.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4175776)

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33801134172.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4175777)

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33801134273.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4175778)

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33801134237.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4175779)

[Sickmont]

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33801134273.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4175778)



Man....you really are in the closet:lol:

[Txclosetgrower]

Haha, yep, I wouldn't lie to you guys :)

[imaguitargod]

LOL! I love the hanging system.

[ABurningMouth]

That "jalapeno" looks like it has habanero or some kind of C. Chinense, leaves. I am not trying to cause trouble, just observing.
Tony

[Txclosetgrower]

That "jalapeno" looks like it has habanero or some kind of C. Chinense, leaves. I am not trying to cause trouble, just observing.
Tony

Its a Tam Jalapeno #1 according to the bag of seed I got from the feed store. Its leaves are just curled for some reason. They start off straight and normal pepper looking, then they curl under hard. I used to think it was because something was wrong, but it doesn't seem to be un-healthy and the leaves look fine other than the curl. Except for a few bug holes, but I fixed that problem.

[ABurningMouth]

I was just now studying your pics, and I think it's just because they are grown under such bright light I guess. I've never seen pepper leaves that big and wavy on a jalepeno before. I am such a newbee when it comes to CFLs.
Yes, some of the leaves look normal.
I must say, I am blown away with the size and health of your plants-unreal.
More pictures please.
Tony

[ABurningMouth]

Except for a few bug holes, but I fixed that problem.

You put duck tape on the holes?

[marcosauces]

haha...FIRE....FIRE..!!!!

[Txclosetgrower]

I was just now studying your pics, and I think it's just because they are grown under such bright light I guess. I've never seen pepper leaves that big and wavy on a jalepeno before. I am such a newbee when it comes to CFLs.
Yes, some of the leaves look normal.
I must say, I am blown away with the size and health of your plants-unreal.
More pictures please.
Tony

Camera's dead right now, but I'll get more pics as they grow. Just wait till you see my closet in january, I'm gonna actually make a grow box to help with light reflection & make it easier to control the environment. Also I talked my mom into throwing in on one of these as my christmas present :) :
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/33820182196.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4182048)

Its a 2 foot long 4-bulb New Wave T5 High Output grow light. It produced 8000 lumens and uses 96 watts.

It will be the perfect light to set up that screen under. I'll be able to have the light 2" away from THE ENTIRE PLANT. Thats the beauty of scrog growing, you absolutely get the most out of the light your light puts out. I'll draw some l33t ms paint diagrams of how I'm gonna have this set up.

[marcosauces]

Man.....you guys are serious about your peppers on winter..!!!

[ABurningMouth]

http://www.nurturelite.com/lights.htm

[Txclosetgrower]

Man.....you guys are serious about your peppers on winter..!!!

Haha, this is gonna be an all year round thing man. I'm actually planning on switching over to hydro january or february. Indoor cultivation is just interesting to me. Plus, how can you beat rolling your computer chair over to the closet and picking a fresh pepper?

I just transplanted that peruvian chile into one of those 1 gallon pots like the jalapeno is in. It had a really fat root ball that filled up that 4" pot pretty good.

[Txclosetgrower]

I decided to go with this: Single bulb t5 fixture (http://www.texashydroponics.com/shop/product.php?productid=2649&cat=286&page=1)

It is only 30 bucks, comes with the bulb, and you can daisy-chain them together so you can have as many or few as you need. For 4 bulbs it is 120 compared to the 4 bulb system for 170. Plus, I don't have to buy them all at once, I can add them as i need them. Pretty sweet. 24 watts & 2280 lumens per bulb x 4 bulbs = 96watts & 9120 lumens. Plus, I still have my CFLs :)

[Txclosetgrower]

Couple pics. I cut off one of the 3 new branches that formed on that jalapeno leaving only 2 new main branches. Each one of those has begun to divide in 2 as well it appears. Also, that purple pepper supposedly bears fruit that point upwards, so keeping it trained low like I have it shouldn't hurt the peppers any. They won't need room to hang like on the jalapeno. How much longer should I wait before letting either one of them begin to flower, another few weeks to a month?

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/34104220012.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4200906)

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/34104220055.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4200907)

[imaguitargod]

Wait until the Jalapeno is 8 inches (I would say).

[Txclosetgrower]

Wait until the Jalapeno is 8 inches (I would say).

At the rate its going, thats only like another 2 weeks :onfire:

[Sickmont]

Stupid question here...do you leave the lights on 24-7 as a way to encourage aggresive growth? It seems to me if you did that, it would stress the plants way too much and possibly kill them. Or, maybe i'm just nuts....

[Txclosetgrower]

Stupid question here...do you leave the lights on 24-7 as a way to encourage aggresive growth? It seems to me if you did that, it would stress the plants way too much and possibly kill them. Or, maybe i'm just nuts....

There are some plants that do need a rest cycle. Apparently peppers aren't one of them. See, from biology everyone knows plants need "light" and "dark" reactions to live. Well, the "dark" reactions really don't necessarily require darkness, they just don't require light(photoindependent). There are different classifications of plants, c3, c4, CAM, etc. Peppers i believe, like most plants, are c3 plants, which do not need dark period to complete photosynthesis(refer to below)

Some plants need dark periods for reasons other than simply survival. Some plants require certain amount of darkness to flower, others only take in co2 in the dark, like cactus & other succulents. However, a lot of plants will grow at peak potential under 24 hour light. So far, the peppers appear to be fine, and even have began to try and flower, so they obviously aren't photoperiod dependent for their flowering. I'm gonna keep the lights on 24/7 until they seem to be hurting, I'll let yall know how it turns out.

Excerpt from (http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/botany/physiology.html)

Dark Reaction:


This part of the photosynthetic process is also called the Calvin Cycle. With one cycle of this reaction 3 carbon atoms are fixed or placed in a sugar molecule. This pathway is called C-3 photosynthesis. This is the way that most dicots or broadleaf plants make sugars during the dark reaction. C-3 photosynthesis has a disadvantage though. Oxygen competes with CO 2 for a binding site during the dark reaction. Sometimes sugars are not formed, but energy is still expended to complete the cycle. This is called photorespiration.



Another dark reaction pathway is called C-4 photosynthesis because 4 carbons are fixed or placed in a sugar molecule each time the cycle is completed. The dark reaction of C-4 photosynthesis occurs inside of specialized parts of leaf cells in the leaf called the bundle sheath, which exclude the presence of O2. Because there is no oxygen present photorespiration does not occur. The C-4 photosynthetic pathway is what occurs in most monocots or grasses. This is a more efficient pathway and allows grasses to grow faster than broadleaf plants. Crassulacean acid metabolism or CAM photosynthesis is the dark reaction type found in many cactus, succulents, bromeliads, and orchids as well as a few other plants. CAM photosynthesis is similar to C-4 photosynthesis. However, CAM plants open their stomata only during the night to collect CO2, when air temperatures are cooler, thus conserving water because of reduced transpiration. The CO2 is converted into malic acid and then converted back to CO2 during the day when light is present, thus producing sugars, while the stomata are closed and greatly reducing water loss.

[RedThumb]

Haha, this is gonna be an all year round thing man. I'm actually planning on switching over to hydro january or february.

I've heard that hydro farming vegetables (such as tomatos) can result in vegetables with less flavor. Apparently the soil adds to the flavor somehow. I know that with wines the soil which is used makes a big difference.

Keep us posted on whether you notice any difference with the hydro.

[Txclosetgrower]

I've heard that hydro farming vegetables (such as tomatos) can result in vegetables with less flavor. Apparently the soil adds to the flavor somehow. I know that with wines the soil which is used makes a big difference.

Keep us posted on whether you notice any difference with the hydro.

Yeah, i've heard that as well. I think its attributed to the fact that in soil there are tons of different micronutrients not accounted for as opposed to hydro where you feed the plant its specific required nutrients. Like some of the nutrients not responsible for maintaining life are used by the plant for making flavor or something. I also heard that if you supplement with carbohydrates, either using something like Sweet by Botanicare or molasses to supplement plants increase yield and flavor in the fruits/vegetables. I plan on supplementing with molasses this time around anyway, I'll let you know how it turns out for sure.

[Txclosetgrower]

Well, with the exception that my jalapeno is retarded, everything else is going well in the closet. Check out the little dorset naga.

All 3:
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/34802283544.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4257390)

Purple Chile:
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/34802283519.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4257389)

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/34802283488.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4257388)

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/34802283384.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4257385)

[Txclosetgrower]

A few more pics


Dorset Naga seedling:
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/34802283423.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4257386)
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/34802283468.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4257387)

The retarded curly leaved jalapeno:
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/34802283344.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4257384)
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/34802283260.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4257383)

A

[Txclosetgrower]

And some more of the purple chile:

This one is from December 7th:
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/34104220055.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4200907)

And these are from December 14th:
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/34802383261.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4257399)
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/34802283169.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4257381)

[ABurningMouth]

Woo Hoo:cool:
Your plants have thick stems.
Keep up the good work!:party:

[imaguitargod]

That Jalapeno is really looking like a Habanero(which would account for the slight curl in the leaves). Someone mentioned that before, I'm just restating officially.

I'm still wondering if you shouldn't move the lights a little further away from the leaves on that plant.

[Txclosetgrower]

That Jalapeno is really looking like a Habanero(which would account for the slight curl in the leaves). Someone mentioned that before, I'm just restating officially.

I'm still wondering if you shouldn't move the lights a little further away from the leaves on that plant.

Nah, CFLs are most effective only an inch or two away from the plant. Plus, i have a fan blowing directly on the lights which keeps them even cooler. The light above the purple one is actually closer than the one above he jalapeno, and the purple one looks happy. After doing as much reading as i could stand on pepper diseases, i still have no clue what is wrong with the "jalapeno". All the diseases appear to make the leaves curl upwards instead of down. The only thing that causes downward curling is "physiological leaf curl" which isn't caused by anything other than random luck and requires no treatment. Even though the leaves curl all the way up, they don't appear to want to come off which is another sign of disease. And it really doesn't look like pest damage to me, but i dunno. Oh well, as long as its living and growing, i'm not gonna sweat it. Even if my first jalapeno plant turns out to be a fig tree or something i don't care, i'm still learning :)


For all i know, the jalapeno could be a habanero, but the seeds came out of a Tam Jalapeno #1 package. I'm gonna go ahead and let the retarded thing flower when it wants to just to find out, but i'm not gonna let it set more than a few fruit this time around cause i still want it to grow some.


The purple one is absolutely loving the LST'ing. Do you see all the branches that are growing and dividing just like the main top? Its growing fast, like i can actually see a difference from the time i go to bed to when i wake up. I'm not going to train it horizontally much more, I'm going to start letting it resume vertical growth now, so I should have a fat bush in a month or so.

Thanks for the comments guys.

[Sickmont]

My guess would be it definitely isn't pest damage, only because of the proximity of the other plants. I'd say they'd all be having problems if it was indeed pest damage.

[Txclosetgrower]

Should I remove the flower buds from the purple one again? Or is its big enough to let it go ahead and fruit?

[imaguitargod]

Should I remove the flower buds from the purple one again? Or is its big enough to let it go ahead and fruit?

Let it do some more viritcal growth, just so it get's it barrings.

[Txclosetgrower]

Let it do some more viritcal growth, just so it get's it barrings.

Yah, its just now really started taking off, I guess I'll pull this set of nubs off too. I'm debating on scrapping that jalapeno, since its still f'd and the bottom leaves keep yellowing now. Also, for some reason, one of the 1st two real leaves on that dorset showed burns around the edges...I know its not nute burn since the soil has no nutes, but I really doubt its light burn either, since it's just 1 of the leaves and the 2nd set of leaves is even closer to the light and it looks fine....oh well, so far, on all 3 plants, the first sets of leaves have always looked dumb.

See, the purple one's first leaves were real bad and now its really healthy.
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/11/32214554780.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4031651)

[Txclosetgrower]

Would it hurt if I left a single bud on there to see what the flowers look like as long as I don't let it try to set fruit? Like would a single flower still stunt it?

[habman]

Should I remove the flower buds from the purple one again? Or is its big enough to let it go ahead and fruit?

I'd say let it flower.
The peppers on this plant are small (see chileman description below) and you have limited space.
btw : One of my pepper plant has an open flower ... YIIIPEEE!

From thechileman.org :
>>This highly ornamental Pequin type variety produces 0.75 to 1 in long by 0.375 to 0.5 inches wide purple pods which grow in upright in clusters on the plant<<

[Txclosetgrower]

I'd say let it flower.
The peppers on this plant are small (see chileman description below) and you have limited space.
btw : One of my pepper plant has an open flower ... YIIIPEEE!

From thechileman.org :
>>This highly ornamental Pequin type variety produces 0.75 to 1 in long by 0.375 to 0.5 inches wide purple pods which grow in upright in clusters on the plant<<

Damnit, i just pulled them all off. I'll let the next set grow out, it didn't take long for it to make new ones last time, and its starting to grow fast.

[Txclosetgrower]

Just a quick update on my purple chile. I scrapped the other two cause they looked like shit, once I get some more cash I'm going to get a different soil and set my stuff up a little better before starting anymore seeds.

This one is lovin life tho :)

Bottle cap just for size reference

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/1/517591410.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4444980)

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/1/517591548.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4444981)

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/1/517591668.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4444982)

[habman]

you scrapped the jalapeno? bummer
How are the T5 doing. Anygood?
are you still removing the bud?

All my flowers fell off but they were pretty. Kinda strange they had 7 petals on them. I think I'm growing somekind of hybrid.
Good news is I now have about 20 buds that should flower in about 1-2 weeks.

[Txclosetgrower]

you scrapped the jalapeno? bummer
How are the T5 doing. Anygood?
are you still removing the bud?

All my flowers fell off but they were pretty. Kinda strange they had 7 petals on them. I think I'm growing somekind of hybrid.
Good news is I now have about 20 buds that should flower in about 1-2 weeks.


Oh yah, the T5s are awesome. I'm not still pulling off flower buds, but it doesn't seem to be making any new ones right now. A few days back, i noticed some of its leaves curling up and it was just generally looking hungry, so I fed it another low dose of some Grow Big (foxfarm's brand nutrient) and it perked right up and un-rolled those leaves. As soon as I get some money (finally got another job lol) i'm finally going to get at timer. I think it might be happier flowering under 18/6 than 24/0, but in the meantime it seems to be perfectly happy w/ the light schedule.

But yah, the jalapeno was retarded I don't know what was wrong with it, a little bit of everything it seemed. The pepper I've been really wanting to grow is the pepperoncini, which I'm planning on raising mostly outdoor on my stairs since the balcony doesn't get much light. I'm going to start a couple of them as soon as I get paid and get better soil. I'm going to pickle the shit out of them and grub down once they're done :). Pepperoncinis ftw :cool:

[imaguitargod]

Wow, that one is looking great! Try (if you want sometime) Superthrive. And for dirt, I find that Sunland Organic Potting Soil is the best for peppers.
I'm going to pickle the shit out of them and grub down once they're done :).
Be sure to try one right off the plant (pre-pickling as it were)... that's where the fun is ;)

[ABurningMouth]

You scrapped your Naga too?

[HotSauceGoonie]

I got bored one day so I decided to since its too cold to grow outside and my balcony faces north anyway, I was gonna just grow in my closet. I went to the feed store which was the only place that has seeds this time of year, picked up some jalapeno, tam jalapeno, and long red cayenne seeds. I also ordered some peruvian purple chiles from www.seedsofchange.com because the plant looks really cool and it said it did well as an inside plant, so I figured it would do great in my closet under bright light.

I started all my seeds in 16 oz plastic cups, and I ended up only keeping 1 of the purple chiles, and 2 of the tam jalapenos, because I wanted to save room for other things in the future. I'm probably going to throw out the gimpy looking jalapeno plant anyway and just keep the healthy one. These pics are a little old, I'll get new pics in a day or two:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/11/32214554780.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4031651)
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/11/32214475838.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4031421)
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/11/32214475835.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4031420)
The gimpy one:
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/11/32214475868.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4031422)

I wonder if I gave a local nursery naga morich plants if they would grow them for me.. I dont want to be bothered.. Does anyone think a local nursery would grow them for me if I gave them the seeds or already started small plants?

[Txclosetgrower]

You scrapped your Naga too?

Yah, I did :( It had some messed up thing going on its leaves, like they were turning white around the edges and like burning off. Then they started turning like yellow with small purplish brown spots. So i decided to get it the hell out before it infected something else, I don't know what was wrong with it. I think the potting soil I got holds wayyyyyyyyyyy to much water for peppers. Those purple ones are tough tho. I'm starting more nagas for the year tho, don't worry :)

[Txclosetgrower]

Wow, that one is looking great! Try (if you want sometime) Superthrive. And for dirt, I find that Sunland Organic Potting Soil is the best for peppers.

Be sure to try one right off the plant (pre-pickling as it were)... that's where the fun is ;)

Already got the superthrive too. I give it to them every so often, i was doing it once a week but i think once every two weeks is plenty. The only thing they've been fed is some Grow Big & Big Bloom by fox farms. Organic liquid fertilizers I picked up. Big Bloom is more of like a supplement with micronutrients, while grow big is actually a fertilizer. So far I've only fed the purple one grow big twice, and big bloom several times. It is gonna be transplanted into a larger like 3 gallon pot with some better draining soil and lots of perlite once I get some cash.

[ABurningMouth]

My indoor White Bullets did that too last year. They dropped all their leaves, but came out of it. I think it was the too moist soil too.
Perlite is not the answer. I used alot in my soil the last couple years, and found that it's still easy to overwater and harbor pathogens.
I'm doing some tests to try to get roots to go to where the pot's oxygenated water is, not put water all through the soil. And conserve water, and avoid stem rot at the same time. That's all I can say right now, because I don't know if it'll work. It's not new, but I have never tried it.

[RedThumb]

I've heard that hydro farming vegetables (such as tomatos) can result in vegetables with less flavor. Apparently the soil adds to the flavor somehow. I know that with wines the soil which is used makes a big difference.

Keep us posted on whether you notice any difference with the hydro.

Yeah, i've heard that as well. I think its attributed to the fact that in soil there are tons of different micronutrients not accounted for as opposed to hydro where you feed the plant its specific required nutrients. Like some of the nutrients not responsible for maintaining life are used by the plant for making flavor or something. I also heard that if you supplement with carbohydrates, either using something like Sweet by Botanicare or molasses to supplement plants increase yield and flavor in the fruits/vegetables. I plan on supplementing with molasses this time around anyway, I'll let you know how it turns out for sure.

Hey T.C.G.,

So what's the verdict? Any difference in taste?